[forgetsusername]

>Is the auto-maker responsible?

Why would the auto-maker be responsible for your distracted driving, and what does it have to do with cruise control?

Some of the uproar about these incidents is related to the fact that Tesla marketing is implying far more automation and safety here than the technology can actually provide. And apparently it can cost lives.

[givinguflac]

Exactly, they shouldn't be responsible for distracted driving. Autopilot can certainly get better, but you're being willfully ignorant if you don't believe that these Tesla drivers with their hands off the wheel don't fall under distracted driving. Could autopilot improve? Yes. Is the driver at fault here for not staying alert and responsible for the car they chose to drive? Absolutely.

Please show me a source for the claim that they're "implying far more automation" as everything I've ever seen from Tesla on this says hey dummy, don't stop paying attention or take your hands off the wheel.

[UnoriginalGuy]

> Please show me a source for the claim that they're "implying far more automation"

It is literally called "autopilot."

[chronolitus]

Are you implying that the drivers involved were not even aware that they were using the feature negligently?

Even after they used it for miles, it having certainly audibly reminded them many times, over months, that they must have their hands on the wheel?

Maybe if someone is deaf, reads "autopilot", jumps in the car and crashes, the name is at fault. Otherwise, unlikely.

[epmaybe]

Sure, the driver is at fault, but Tesla is almost encouraging this by not having a shorter threshold for keeping hands off the wheel.

[forgetsusername]

>Please show me a source for the claim that they're "implying far more automation"

Th key word is "implying". Of course they say "keep your hands on the wheel" in the instruction manual.

[cmurf]

What if the manufacturer is permitting conditions that incentivizes distracting driving? Like not requiring hands on the wheel?

It's also a problem if it permits driving faster than the speed limit.

[JoeAltmaier]

Its normal to exceed the speed limit e.g. passing. No absolute limit can be arbitrarily set without tying the pilot's hands/limiting their options which could make the roads more dangerous.

[cmurf]

It may be common to exceed to speed limit when passing, but it is illegal. The setting of these speed limits is meant to be objective, maybe are sometimes subjective, but it is wrong to call them arbitrary.

If the car autopilot software permits faster than legal speed driving, the manufacturer is taking on liability in the case of speed related accidents and damage.

[JoeAltmaier]

No its not actually illegal. Here's an example regulation from Washington state:

http://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=46.61.425

[JoeAltmaier]

It costs lives because folks are toying with this new thing. If they'd just use it as intended, they'd achieve the higher levels of safety demonstrated in testing.

Yeah, I just blamed the victims for misusing autopilot. Like anything else, its a tool for a certain purpose. Its not foolproof. Testing its limits can get you hurt, just like a power saw.