[fmueller]

> You can't _claim_ guilt, you need proof, and to get proof you need due process.

You don't need it when you are at war. Killing people is normal during a wa even without evidence.

[Hasknewbie]

You are missing the scope of the discussion. My point is that abdicating proper law enforcement has historically always failed at improving society. Yes you can "declare war". This will certainly not improve your country (Cf Colombia before, Mexico now). Note that I'm not even making the argument that killing innocents is wrong, I'm just saying that due process works better, period.

[restalis]

There is no war. There is nothing even close to a war zone. If you consider the society threatened on such a level there are steps to be taken, like declaring the martial law and such. But this... is just madness to me, covered by populist propaganda!