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by belorn 3627 days ago
Can you provide a single political movement that is fully optional in their goal.

Would a vegetarian say that if a person voluntarily buy animal factory meat, then there is nothing wrong with it.

Would a environmentalist say that if a person voluntarily buy a polluting car, then there is nothing wrong with the manufacturer selling it.

Would a anti-war activist say that if a person voluntarily join the military, then there is nothing wrong with war?

I am looking at a list of political movements, and I can't see a single one which would say that they are fine so long the thing they are working against is done voluntarily.
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legulere 3627 days ago
Do all vegetarians try to "replace and eliminate" meat-consumption for the whole population? How do you view those that do?

> if a person voluntarily buy a polluting car,

Everyone is affected by the pollution, so a bad comparison.

> person voluntarily join the military,

Again people are involuntarily affected by war.

> I am looking at a list of political movements, and I can't see a single one which would say that they are fine so long the thing they are working against is done voluntarily.

How about "No means no" campaigns? Sex is fine as long as it's done voluntarily by all parties.

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dandelion_lover 3627 days ago
>Do all vegetarians try to "replace and eliminate" meat-consumption for the whole population? How do you view those that do?

Everyone is affected, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_meat_p...

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belorn 3627 days ago
"No means no" is about rape, so can people voluntarily be raped? If I look up the definition of rape, will I find the word "consent", as in, rape is an act when someone is involuntarily being involved in an sexual act. You can not voluntarily be raped. People can pretend, but then people can pretend that they are dragons and live on the moon.
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paulryanrogers 3627 days ago
The broader point is externalities are involved in the use of software by a multitude of people.

Even consentual sex can have such impacts when--for example--overpopulaton leads to starvation.

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