[vonmoltke]

I agree with everything you say about the economics of the situation, but ours is the omly industry I know of where inability to make enough money to pay for a sufficient workforce translates into a workforce shortage. A cattle rancher isn't going to compalain about a "ranchhand shortage" if she can't afford to pay enough to attract them.

[TrickzOnU]

It is not. The rancher would just hire an illegal immigrant often and it happens all the time on farms and restaurants. It doesn't fly in office environments and in positions where the salary cant just disappear in the books.

Secondly, only the technology industry has a massive pipeline of overseas workers available...so naturally there is constantly a "shortage" as a means to increase the pipeline of overseas workers.

I'm not saying NOT to hire overseas workers. I'm saying to be honest about it. Say -- we refuse to pay market wages and would rather that new graduates not find work than pay them a living wage for the Bay Area, instead we'll hire offshore workers desperate to flee their countries and willing to shack up 3 to a studio apartment.

[a3n]

The whole thing is based on unrealistic expectations. People work somewhere in the Bay Area, or launch a startup there; it's one of the most expensive areas in the country, maybe the world. Then they don't want to pay enough so that there is no shortage of employees.

So then the talk turns to bringing in H1Bs who will work for the low end of the "prevailing" (Ha!) salary.

Why don't these companies cut to the chase and just open an office in India? Or have the entire operation there?

Or are some of them actually not trying to change the world by delivering better toast to your door, and they just want to live in the Bay Area?

[ryanSrich]

It's a form of off shoring. They create a fake shortage, lobby for more H1Bs, pay the national average for fair market, which is laughably low for the Bay Area, and there you have it. The tech shortage sponsored by Facebook...

[illegalFallacy]

>It doesn't fly in office environments

This is untrue in my experience as the equivalent in an office environment to hiring an illegal immigrant would be subcontracting a 'job' to either a staffing agency whose H1B employees get paid piecemeal and billed out for different amounts. I've also worked with independent contractors who if you added up their low pay on the level, wouldn't be making adequate pay.

Heck, I've worked contract jobs through staffing agencies trying to make end meets and had the job location charge for parking which would be reimbursed 3 months later. Good luck getting ur money if you are working the next job and can't afford the time to follow up for that check.

There are plenty of ways companies dance around the same entity of illegal immigrant wages.

[acjohnson55]

To be fair, that is literally what a shortage is, economically speaking.