[markokrajnc]

Java EE is a set of mostly bad libs for Java SE. Unfortunately the upper management has seen it as a "better Java SE"...

[agumonkey]

Sadest part is that it diffused into education.

[Synaesthesia]

Agree! Over here we're teaching it to high school kids, when I think Python will be a lot more suitable and enjoyable.

[agumonkey]

Please introduce value oriented recursion (not just pretty printing). Like powerset, or countdown functions. Link them to Pascal triangle and then recursively defined series. Combinatorics, factorials, (1+x/a)^n .. etc etc. Tell them it looks fucked up dull and alien, for now.