[raganwald]

> There is no debate

Well, I guess you automatically "win" whatever discussion you are having when you open with those four words. I presume the logical next step is for us to switch into Monty Python skit mode:

"There is no debate."

"Yes there is."

"No there isn't."

"Yes there is."

"No there isn't."

"Well the RIAA is debating you, so yes there is."

"No they aren't. They can't simply make a rhetorical point conflating two different things and call that a debate. They have to make something that I agree is a valid debating point."

"No they don't."

"Yes they do..."