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by e12e 3642 days ago
Well, I think we've both pointed to where our views come from, and it's probably not much point in discussing this further here on hn. I thank you for your interesting and measured input. These things do too often devolve into shouting matches.

I will respectfully indicate that it seems a little disingenuous to claim that attacks on Israel are "unprovoked". They follow a similar pattern to Israeli terror attacks on the British occupation government, and I would hope that there'd be room to find common ground among two prosecuted people, rather than simply replace one oppressor with another in the region.
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brashrat 3641 days ago
Thanks for the compliments.

What I mean by "unprovoked" is, if the Palestinians would stop attempting violence, the Israelis would stop attempting violence.

If the Israelis were to stop their violence... the Palestinians would just keep going; that's actually what's been happening.

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e12e 3641 days ago
For what it's worth, the hope I see for Israel and Palestine today stems from the non-violent protests against the occupation that includes many Israelis and Jews. This includes conscientious objectors and groups championing dialogue between people living in Israel and the West Bank.

Lack of dialogue is one of the cornerstones on which we build hatred, racism and violence. It is much harder to justify demolishing someone's family home in order to have a good killing field from your border wall, if you are friends with that family.

[ed eg: http://m.btselem.org/

and http://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/ ]

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e12e 3641 days ago
I see what you mean, but on the other hand, the Palestinians are occupied by Israel, barred from trading by Israel and Egypt, beholden to Israel for water and power - so one could say that if Israel lifted the sanctions Palestinians might not need to "keep going". Again I think the parallell to the Warsaw getthoes apply - the Jews and others interned could just have accepted their plight. But it would've been the wrong path.

I'm by no means saying Palestinians have a carte blanche - I'm just saying that calling the attacks "unprovoked" is a bit of a stretch?

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