[Nullabillity]

The hardware is "best-in-class"? I keep hearing this, but the specs and personal experiences just don't match up with it. Their devices are, and have always been, way underspecced, and they pull stupid crap like abusing the case as a heatsink (because they're too cheap for fans?), soldering in RAM and gluing in batteries (seriously, WTF?), and using proprietary connectors for everything.

Their software is a trainwreck, their hardware is even worse. Why on earth do people give this company money?

[da_n]

My personal laptop is a Thinkpad, when comparing it to a MacBook Pro it's a joke. Build quality is mediocre, the screen is garbage, trackpad is only OK etc. The keyboard is miles better though. I still prefer to own it over a MacBook as I run Arch on my personal machines, but from personal experience Apple hardware has always been of superior build quality than PC alternatives.

[mikhailt]

Best in class doesn't mean best in spec. They're relatively best for quality and longevity. My '12 rMBP has the best keyboard and trackpad on the market, there is no laptop that is better than this and these features are what I use all day long. I'm still using it and I have no plans to replace it for another 3-4 years. That's something I cannot say for any PCs I've bought in the past.

Also, no one is buying Macbooks to take it apart, so the RAM/batteries/connectors are the least of majority of the market's concerns.

I don't claim any loyalty to any platform but I rather run software on my Macs because I know it lasts a long time. Prior to my '12 rMBP, I had a Macbook that I've used for 4-5 years and I sold it for a decently nice price, it held it resales value.

Just because you can't understand it, doesn't mean it is not the best for others.

I have no problem with macOS, it's fine for my purpose. I had far more issues with Windows 10 than I had with macOS and I actually have a Surface Pro 4 as well.

[digi_owl]

Because Jobs hated the sound of spinning fans supposedly.

The macbooks are not the first in that regard.

Various Apple products over the years have had problems with overheating because of this.

Supposedly one variant of the AppleII has a service recommendation of lifting and dropping it on to the desk. This because the lack of fans would make the logicboard buckle from heat, unseating some chips.

I do believe a certain Cube was also fanless, and had trouble keeping itself cool. Never mind that it had a power switch that would be flipped by a stray piece of paper...

[jkmcf]

If I have to agree with Jobs on anything, I'll start w/ the noise of spinning fans.

[digi_owl]

I find them a necessary evil.

This because you only get so much cooling passively, and you only get so much computing done pr unit heat (something that even mobile phones are discovering).

End result, you can only compute so much on a passively cooled system.

[nazgob]

You might not agree with their choice but you don't seem to even try to understand why the do things they do. They do glue RAM to make laptops smaller. They glue batteries for the same reason. They try to get rid of fans because they are mechanical thing that can break, sucks dusts and use energy. Its not great for ppl who want to have hackable devices but it works great for the rest of people.

[Nullabillity]

> They do glue RAM to make laptops smaller. They glue batteries for the same reason.

Oh yes, because glue takes up so much less space than a screw.

> They try to get rid of fans because they are mechanical thing that can break, sucks dusts and use energy.

That's like a car manufacturer saying that exhaust pipes clog up too often, so let's just pump the smog into the passenger cabin instead.

[pwinnski]

Except that Apple computers don't kill people.

I've got three Macs currently, none of which have ever overheated. I use a MacBook Pro on my lap while wearing shorts for hours at a time. It gets warm, but not too warm to use on my lap.

You seem angry about Apple's choices, and clearly they're far from perfect, but it seems like there are a lot of people who value the things Apple does, like very quiet operation and compactness and so on. We're not all as stupid as you suggest.

[mcphage]

> The hardware is "best-in-class"? I keep hearing this, but the specs and personal experiences just don't match up with it.

Whose hardware do you consider best-in-class currently?