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by Inconel 3643 days ago
In ww2, you can objectively say that pure evil won and that pure evil lost.

If both sides are equally evil in your view, would you say you are indifferent to which side ended up winning WWII? Is it a mistake on my part to assume you would be indifferent had the Axis powers achieved complete and utter victory over the Allies? After all, they are both equally evil.

Seeing as you seem to be claiming that both sides were equally evil, I'm very interested in your views on how you think the victorious Axis powers would have treated those they defeated.

Whatever may be said of the crimes committed by both sides during the war, it seems to me that both Japan and Germany fared rather well after surrender considering they were both completely defeated. We are not all that far removed from WWII and yet today Japan and Germany are both overwhelmingly populated by the descendants of Germans and Japanese, not the descendants of foreign conquerors, and enjoy some of the highest qualities of life in the industrialized world.

I'm curious how you think Jews in Germany, or Europe, or indeed the rest of the world would have fared under an Axis victory. Do you think there would be any meaningful Jewish community left in Germany or Europe? How do you feel the Roma, or Slavs or homosexuals would have fared? How would the populations of the Korean peninsula, Taiwan, China, the Philippines and elsewhere in Asia have fared in the subsequent decades of a Japanese victory in the Pacific? Would these communities have fared as well in defeat as the Germans and Japanese have?

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> If both sides are equally evil in your view, would you say you are indifferent to which side ended up winning WWII?

As an american, of course I'm glad the US won. All I'm saying is that the US wasn't any better than anyone else. We weren't saints. And certainly the brits, who had been brutalizing africans, indians, chinese, aborigines, etc for centuries weren't saints either.

> Is it a mistake on my part to assume you would be indifferent had the Axis powers achieved complete and utter victory over the Allies? After all, they are both equally evil.

As an american, of course I would care. The point is whether one was more evil than the other?

> Seeing as you seem to be claiming that both sides were equally evil, I'm very interested in your views on how you think the victorious Axis powers would have treated those they defeated.

Pretty much exactly the same as british treated their colonies? You do realize that europeans had been raping, pillaging and exploiting much of the world before ww2 right?

> it seems to me that both Japan and Germany fared rather well after surrender considering they were both completely defeated.

Initially no. Japan, especially, were brutalized by the allies after ww2 because of racial hatred while germany was built up because of racial "pride". Lets not forget that we destroyed japanese infrastructure and pretty much starved them for years before the korean war broke out. While white europe god the marshall plan, asiatic japan got starvation.

> We are not all that far removed from WWII and yet today Japan and Germany are both overwhelmingly populated by the descendants of Germans and Japanese,

What's your point?

> I'm curious how you think Jews in Germany, or Europe, or indeed the rest of the world would have fared under an Axis victory.

Not too well. Just like the natives in the US/canada and the aborigines in australia. I bet every palestinian wishes that the axis had won...

> Do you think there would be any meaningful Jewish community left in Germany or Europe?

No more than there are meaningful natives in us/canada or aborigines in australia.

> How do you feel the Roma, or Slavs or homosexuals would have fared?

The roma/slavs would have been germanified. The homosexuals would be brutalized like Alan Turing was by the british.

> How would the populations of the Korean peninsula, Taiwan, China, the Philippines and elsewhere in Asia have fared in the subsequent decades of a Japanese victory in the Pacific?

They would have been japanofied and not much would have changed since most of asia had been under brutal european domination anyways.

> Would these communities have fared as well in defeat as the Germans and Japanese have?

You are making arbitrary assertions just to push your agenda.

If the axis had won, there would have been WINNERS and LOSERS. Just like if the allies had won.

Yes, the jews would have suffered. But the arabs/palestinians and most of the world suffering under european colonization would have rejoiced.

After all, many people around the world supported japan and germany. Much of the independence movements throughout the middle east and asia was supported by japan and germany. Not only that, in asia, the japanese soldiers even stayed behind after ww2 ended and joined independence movements to fight the returned savage european colonialists.