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by deathcakes 3643 days ago
Straw man - no one is saying we won't survive but you would have to be monumentally dim to not perceive that what has just happened, and what will continue to happen in Britain as a result of this decision will be orders of magnitude worse than the alternative - at least in the short to medium term. I can't predict the long term future and it may well be that the UK somehow manages to come out of this with more than the south west still part of it but the path there will involve a lot of suffering.
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Kenji 3643 days ago
Straw man - no one is saying we won't survive

He said jumping off the cliff. That is literally just saying the Brits won't survive. Besides, England will be able to make a trade deal with China (something the EU doesn't manage to do). Medium- to longterm, the benefits for the British people will be vast - and I'm not even starting to argue about political independence.

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deathcakes 3643 days ago
Jumping off a cliff != certain death, but I guess thats splitting hairs. You seem very confident in the face of expert opinion and evidence in front of you. Does the fact that the people who have masterminded this spectacle seem to have no plan for what happens next worry you in the slightest?

I notice you use England, possibly a mistake but it seems this is the underlying attitude of the Leave vote - England is better off by itself. Which strikes me as frankly hilarious given how much we have to offer the world besides grumpiness, self deprecation and financial services...

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Kenji 3643 days ago
Well, the plan for what happens next depends in a large part on negotiations with the EU - who doesn't seem to care about negotiating if there is no clear wakeup call and time limit (like 2 years after taking article 50). The vote was a first step and clear signal that the British people are unhappy with how the EU treats them.

I meant to say Britain so yes it was an error. The tensions between England and Scotland (and to a lesser degree Gibraltar) are unfortunate, especially that the leave vote increased them again. Same with northern Ireland tensions. I have no opinion on whether or not they are supposed to stay together since this seems to be a problem rooted deeply in culture that I might not be able to fully comprehend.

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joakleaf 3643 days ago
Congrats with the new trade deal Britain will make with China!

How about the trade deal Britain will make with the EU which is currently its main trade partner (both imports and exports)?

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