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by exstudent2 3646 days ago
They can do whatever they want but we can comment on whether they're accomplishing what they think they are or if they're creating a culture of closed dialog. When multiple major companies start taking similar policies for manipulating content we can and should call out the trend if for no other reason than to discuss its pros and cons.
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dave2000 3646 days ago
No-one's saying you can't discuss it. But where's the discussion?

I just don't see how you one can say "company A has no right to decide what appears on company A's servers" without following up with some watertight legal or moral reason why this should not be the case. Of course they should be able to.

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exstudent2 3646 days ago
The discussion is in this thread. You replied to another of my comments where I spell out why I think this is a bad idea.
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dave2000 3646 days ago
Well, your argument was that trump was a right wing phenomenon caused by "left wing media shaping" but there IS no left wing media in the US as far as I can tell. The right wing/elite serving media like to pretend there is to drag the public/debate further to the right. Movements like trump are people knowing they're getting screwed but having the elite (people like Trump) blame mexicans or muslims (people with no money or power) or whoever rather than the banks, corporations and government itself (who have all the money and power). It doesn't make any difference which story trends on facebook or which youtube video gets pulled. If people wanted to learn about where the power is and how and why people who have generally good intentions are tricked into voting for people like trump then they'd be watching chomsky videos/interviews which are never pulled. By your logic chomsky would do well to get them taken down so that people try and discover what they're missing. But it doesn't work that way.
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exstudent2 3646 days ago
> there IS no left wing media in the US as far as I can tell.

I think you and I disagree significantly on this foundational fact to the point where there's no use debating downstream arguments.

I see the media fully supporting Clinton while bashing Trump. That's left wing bias in my mind (regardless of my support of either candidate). Once you include online media, the left leaning bias is even more significant. Twitter in particular (I know they're not discussed in the OP) have been very aggressive about stamping out right wing speech.

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icebraining 3646 days ago
It's more "establishment media" than "left-wing media", though. The idea that Clinton is left-wing is just amusing, nothing more than an US peculiarity. The only leftish party the US seems to have left is the Green, and the mainstream media certainly doesn't promote them.
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dave2000 3646 days ago
"I see the media fully supporting Clinton while bashing Trump. That's left wing bias in my mind"

Anyone who thinks Clinton is left wing is just totally out of touch with reality.

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exstudent2 3645 days ago
I wish you had clearly stated your rather extremist views up front. Would have saved a lot of time.
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Natsu 3646 days ago
> there IS no left wing media in the US as far as I can tell.

That's because left wing media does not, in fact, exist. The only types of media that actually exist are right wing media and media that's not left enough. That's a fuzzy distinction to be sure, but it makes the bias clear enough at least.

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