[ZeroGravitas]

Scotland and London are the only two regions that pay their own way. The rest live off subsidies from the UK and Europe. The ironies and cognitive dissonance of little Englanders never ceases.

Since this is a fact, you see some very odd and contorted phrases to imply otherwise. One classic is to say that Scotland spends more than it earns. Which is entirely true, Scotland runs a deficit. What isn't mentioned is that the UK as a whole runs a deficit. But Leave voters have shown themselves to be very susceptible to propaganda as long as it talks down "the other".

[bArray]

"Scotland and London are the only two regions that pay their own way. The rest live off subsidies from the UK and Europe. The ironies and cognitive dissonance of little Englanders never ceases."

I assume you don't live in England, or if you do you live in one of those two areas. It's not true at all. A lot of people travel daily to larger cities to work, making them look better than they are.

"What isn't mentioned is that the UK as a whole runs a deficit."

It's more about them running at more of a deficit. If you don't believe me, believe the Scottish [1].

"But Leave voters have shown themselves to be very susceptible to propaganda as long as it talks down "the other"."

I'm not a leave voter, if you're trying to use that against me.

[1] http://www.scotsman.com/news/uk/public-spending-per-head-in-...

[ZeroGravitas]

Did you even read the link you hastily googled? Spoiler warning, it confirms what I said in my comment:

“As official figures show, Scotland has paid more in tax per head than the rest of the UK in each of the last 30 years and we contribute a higher share of UK revenues than we receive in public spending.”

[bArray]

That's fair, it takes a while to get into it. I admit I was wrong.

They still run a deficit though and need a financial market strong enough for people to invest in. It'll not be the walk in the park a lot of people think it may be. There will be some really hard times to come if thr decision comes to leaving the UK.

I'm still not convinced it is in Scotland's interests.

[ZeroGravitas]

I'm on the fence myself, but making decisions based on patently false information has a bad track record in the very recent past.

And if they'll falsely accuse the Scots of "stealing" from them, falsely accuse immigrants of being bad for the economy, then really, who is safe in this post-fact politics?

I wish I could enjoy the looks on the Conservative Remain sides faces, as they process losing to a bunch of sociopathic liars. But schadenfreude is probably banned in post-Brexit Britain.

[bArray]

"I'm on the fence myself, but making decisions based on patently false information has a bad track record in the very recent past."

I very much agree. Ultimately, the difference between me and them is I admit when I'm wrong - rather than just digging a larger hole.

"And if they'll falsely accuse the Scots of "stealing" from them, falsely accuse immigrants of being bad for the economy, then really, who is safe in this post-fact politics?"

I think the UK really needs to go under reform regardless. I think if you're an MP or civil servant and you are caught lying, there should be some legal consequence. If you're paid by the tax payer and accept bribes or are dishonest, you have no place in UK politics.

What's really annoying is the only reason the Royal Family is still involved is to keep an eye on things. Well oh how they have slipped.

"I wish I could enjoy the looks on the Conservative Remain sides faces, as they process losing to a bunch of sociopathic liars. But schadenfreude is probably banned in post-Brexit Britain."

I feel bad for them. Perhaps the worst part is realising you're fighting for a Country that isn't worth saving.