[voodoomagicman]

Yes, I think that is bigoted.. Why does the blue collar worker from Eastern Europe deserve less opportunity than a blue collar worker from Sheffield? How is discriminating against some group of people based on what country they were born in morally different than discriminating based on race?

[ausvisaissues]

> Why does the blue collar worker from Eastern Europe deserve less opportunity than a blue collar worker from Sheffield?

Does a blue collar worker from India deserve less of an opportunity than a blue collar worker from Eastern Europe?

You may answer no to this (i.e., believe in completely open borders). But I think that the general public will not accept this.

[voodoomagicman]

I would answer no to it - a blue collar worker from india absolutely deserves the same opportunity as a worker in Europe.

I agree, we are a long ways from the public accepting open borders. I just think its important to point out - as a society we have rejected racism, but we are blind to the fact that exclusionary nationalism is it's strict moral equivalent.

I would challenge anyone who disagrees to come up w/ an explanation why racism is immoral, that does not also apply to birthplace.

[BasDirks]

I love my neighbour more than my neighbour's neighbour. Is that shocking?

[voodoomagicman]

Not at all - I think that is human nature, and how we all behave. I just don't think its justified - if you asked most people to describe their moral frameworks, I don't think many would say 'the value of a human being is a function of their distance from me'.