[tzs]

> What are we ideally working towards? A world where everyone must avoid a defined level of risk (including certain level of dress!), or one where any of us can walk anywhere with an expectation that we won't be abused by another one of us? I'd like to think the latter.

The latter...but we have to live in the world as it is, not the world that we hope to someday achieve.

If I were to put on a top of the line Rolex watch, pick up an expensive laptop in one hand, and $100k cash in the other hand, and take a stroll alone at night through a major city's most gang controlled, crime riddled, neighborhood and found myself involuntarily relieved of watch, laptop, and cash, I think people would be justified in putting some of the blame for the robbery on me even though I would also be the victim.

[strangecasts]

Well, if you really didn't want to get robbed, you should have donated the laptop and cash to charity, donned a tunic and joined a monastery

[tptacek]

Tim, these two scenarios are not really comparable.