[lumpypua]

I agree, you can do awesome things without too much coding knowledge—but a big part of the current push to teach people how to code is to give them access to the coding job market.

If I'm going to hire you as a "software engineer" at an engineering salary, I expect you to know all those things.

Of my friends learning to code for masters degrees now, the ones with a natural coding mindset and studying it hard are taking about 2 years to hit a production engineering level. Most seem to be on a 3-4 year trajectory. That's pretty reasonable for a complex skillset.

[stdbrouw]

> I agree, you can do awesome things without too much coding knowledge—but a big part of the current push to teach people how to code is to give them access to the coding job market.

Makes sense, I guess I was thinking more of the potential in teaching kids how to code so they can use that knowledge as biologists, economists, teachers, geologists and so on. Standards there are lower because you're competing with people who don't or barely know how to code, but there's still a lot of untapped potential in all of those different fields for automation and all the other good stuff that programming can bring.