[zer00eyz]

I never thought of eve and DF having anything in common, till I read your comment.

Upon further reflection, I only played both for the level of suffering involved in each. DF has the mantra "loosing is fun" and I played eve that same way.

[ethbro]

That's one of the primary effects of having serious, permanent effects of death in a game, imho.

Perversely, it makes life / things / tasks less valuable. I used the example "there's only so much you'll do for one dwarf who might be killed by its own stupidity" vs "there's almost nothing a lot of people wouldn't do to acquire a for-the-rest-of-time legendary in WoW."