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by spartango 3670 days ago
I'm not convinced this localization argument holds so much water. Consider the following:

Case 1: If you're using a search engine not based in the US, and you're not a US person, then the NSA probably can't use any legal tools against you (depending on country). However, the NSA is allowed to use the full range of its capabilities to collect against you (PPD28 notwithstanding). They can infiltrate that service by technical or human means and carry out espionage activity without legal restriction (Title 50/EO12333). Further, they can retain the data unredacted for a long time.*

Case 2: On the other end of the spectrum, if you're a US person and you're using a US-based search engine, surveillance activities against you are far more complex. Warrants, NSLs, and/or other legal paperwork is involved, and there are strict rules on data retention, sharing, and minimization. That's not to say that there isn't surveillance, just that it comes with substantially more overhead. Meanwhile, most of the NSA's technical exploitation approaches are off-limits, and any collection/exploitation activity must be carefully managed.

Case 3: The intermediate case, where you're a non-US person using a US service, is a bit more hairy but still is better than the first case. While the NSA/FBI can utilize a range of legal tools (again, warrants, NSLs, etc) against you, because your data is likely entangled with US-persons data, it must also deal with all the overhead of minimizing and redacting that data (same as case 2). Similarly, the use of technical means against US providers is heavily restricted, so you won't be fighting against the same capabilities as you would be in case 1.

At the end of the day, which do you think is easier for the engineers at NSA: exploiting, entering, and just taking everything (case 1) or filling out a huge amount of paperwork and carefully handling the redacted scraps of data that comes back from the provider eventually (cases 2 and 3)?

I think you can make an argument for either side, but I tend to believe that technical exploitation is easier than legal, for now.

*Caveat here is that this intelligence data is hard[er] to use in US law enforcement activity against you. It's worth noting, however, that NSLs and FISA data are also non-trivial.

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you're damned if you do and damned if you don't then