[marshallp]

There's "material" to support every side of the argument. The only honest data you have are simple measures like life expectancy and costs as percentage of gdp. Universal healthcare clearly trumps any other system in those.

Of course the systems aren't perfect, but they're the best of the alternatives.

[Semiapies]

I don't actually have to be here for this argument with you, right? :)

Oh, Hell, I'll throw you a bone: what happens to comparative life expectancy numbers when you correct for differing definitions of live birth in the US and the UK?

Now, carry on.