[zanny]

> Does it really need to be an "us vs them" eat each other's lunch kind of a deal to you?

The present state of messaging affairs is that 99.9% of the market is proprietary spy apps that lock users in to one platform to try to force their acquaintances onto said platform for monetization purposes.

That is an undesirable state to be in for anyone advocating for open and private communications.

So you are either splitting efforts between the two, or saying damn one for the others benefit. I would gladly accept an XMPP implementation that could outpace Matrix / Vector's current performance and accept it wholeheartedly - there just isn't one, and as long as Matrix is at the forefront of usable federated open secure extensible private messaging thats who I'm putting my eggs behind, to the degree where I would say "damn XMPP" only insofar as free software developer hours are precious and wasting them are two different implementations of the same thing (much like Tox vs Ring for secret messaging) wastes a ton of effort that could be better spent making one of the two excellent rather than having two working solutions nobody uses.

[emias]

> as long as Matrix is at the forefront of usable federated open secure extensible private messaging

You say this as if the truth of this statement was obvious to everyone.

> free software developer hours are precious and wasting them are two different implementations of the same thing (much like Tox vs Ring for secret messaging) wastes a ton of effort that could be better spent making one of the two excellent rather than having two working solutions nobody uses.

That's precisely the reason I work on ejabberd/XMPP rather than just throwing everything away and starting from scratch.