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by userbinator 3671 days ago
The amount of churn in the computer industry is staggering and the upgrade treadmill is a huge waste of resources to many, but I suppose it's the only way for them to continue making a profit. Personally, I think Windows as an OS reached its pinnacle sometime around the XP timeframe; since then it has mostly been frustrating UI changes and feature removals, "security" features designed to lock down your PC against you and instead follow the commands of some corporate entity, and massive amounts of data collection. Incidentally, that timeframe coincides with the rise of file sharing, and while the Internet certainly wasn't very safe or secure back then, it was an era of relative freedom.

I was quite disgusted when I saw that Windows 10's start menu contains adverts; maybe Microsoft realised that the average user would likely install adware themselves anyway, so they wanted to get into that industry too... all the evidence certainly supports that, including the now-well-known closing the upgrade window indicates consent shady behaviour common amongst malware/adware. It's clear that MS is really, really desperate to get as much users onto Win10 as they can.

To adopt a phrase MS originally used against Linux, "Windows 10 is a free upgrade only if your freedom and privacy are worth nothing."

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Indeed.

I am not familiar with the technical details of XP, so these are mostly observations from a user and not developer perspective:

1. On my old Pentium 4 box with 256 MB of RAM any release after XP hardly met the OS requirements. Yes, hardware has come a long way since then, but IMHO there is no technical reason why a kernel with a bare bones desktop needs more than this amount. I never understood why Microsoft's recommendations for RAM went up to 1 GB and beyond. My pretty standard Arch Linux setup in 2016 does not take more than this right after boot.

2. XP had a rather long lifespan as an OS. It was only later that Microsoft got into the 2-4 year upgrade cycle, hoping customers would purchase a lot of the upgrades. What happened actually in many cases was a simple skip of alternate upgrades, concretely Vista and 8.

XP definitely had some pretty bad problems, like the fact that it was not really ready for the 64-bit era, manifested in things like the 2 GB limit on memory per process. I don't know about what they did with the 64 bit XP version; it looked a lot like a stop gap solution.

I used the EOL announced for Windows XP support as a nice excuse to get myself to use a GNU/Linux system. I have not looked back since then.

As an aside, there are still some holdouts of XP usage, such as some lab equipment software written many years back. In fact, Windows XP embedded was supported all the way till January 2016.

I think nowadays modern browsers need a lot more than that anyway though. And yes XP Professional x64 Edition was actually based on Server 2003.
I was quite disgusted when I saw that Windows 10's start menu contains adverts

Maybe they got the idea from Ubuntu's funneling local search queries to online search engines?

In case anyone wasn't aware, Ubuntu is best known as an introductory Linux desktop distribution that's made a few contentious design decisions over the years, furthering its separation from traditional FOSS community values and practices.

There are hundreds[1] of distributions built around the Linux kernel, and Ubuntu was the only one to try (and be immediately condemned for) including Amazon results in local searches, which anyone who didn't want was free to disable or else try any of the many, many Debian or Ubuntu based distros without.

I don't know of another version of Windows 10 that I can install if I don't like some aspect of how it collects data or prevents me from administrating my system, but even if there were, how many users would know to set up WSUS servers to prevent errant update behaviors?

[1] http://distrowatch.com/

I think Win8.1 had this already.
Trying to equate Canonical and MS is desperate. Microsoft is undeniably worse. And Will Microsoft remove the ads? Of course not. When windows 10 first came out the only way to remove candy crush was with power shell.

http://superuser.com/questions/958562/how-do-i-remove-candy-...

You will jump through these hoops every upgrade unless you go through and disable certain updates, which you will need to keep up with for the rest of your life.

You now have to pay a monthly fee to avoid 30 second videos in Solitaire.

Well, Ubuntu doesn't do those paid searches any more by default.
Do you think they will start showing advertisements on the Windows 10? Like if you're in settings and a banner ad pops up.
They already are, as you can see from the numerous articles here and elsewhere on the Internet, as well as my personal experience.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11167964

http://betanews.com/2015/10/15/microsoft-now-uses-windows-10...

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2015-07/30/windows-10-pa...

You think that's bad? I only upgraded to Windows 10 last week, and within minutes of booting it up, it quietly started downloading "Candy Crush Soda Saga" without my permission. I only caught it because I noticed the download indicator in my Start menu, at which point I cancelled it. Apparently there's no simple user option to turn these auto-downloaded apps off either.
The thing that grinds my gears is that MS cleary does not think people use Windows to do real work any more. None of this shit flies in an environment where you are billing hourly and need to be in control of your own software/hardware.
Wow. You now have to pay a monthly fee to avoid 30 second videos in Solitaire ! That's almost extortion.

  "It's a shame if something were to happen with all that time you got here."
There are adverts in some of the new gamemodes in the Windows 10 version of Solitaire, if you just play classic there arent any.
Sad to say, but yes, also on my professional edition I think. (A "recommended apps" ad in the start menu.)
You can turn those off.
Or you can have no appetite to play whack-a-mole with microsoft's privacy settings and refuse to upgrade.
> whack-a-mole with microsoft's privacy settings

Indeed, their ever-changing "Get Windows 10" dialog is appalling. It's like a real life version of Cat Facts[1], or those stupid Best Buy emails I started getting after I bought a memory card from them and made absolutely sure I wasn't sharing my email address or signing up for anything. Hitting the "unsubscribe" link in the email resulted in more frequent spam from them, rather than actually unsubbing me.

[1] http://i.imgur.com/rsQ93.png

Why should I have to spend any of my time on that shit instead of doing the work I have to do? I'm not a set of eyeballs for MS to sell. That shit might fly on Facebook or other free services, but the OS is a productivity enabler and that is all. The minute it actively tries to get in the way of my productivity in an effort to turn me into a product, I'm done with it.
> I saw that Windows 10's start menu contains adverts

I would be surprised to hear of Microsoft doing such a thing, and equally surprised to hear of a consumer OEM not doing it.

Are you sure it was Microsoft and not the manufacturer?

Yes, Microsoft did. There are live tiles in the start menu that feature apps from the Microsoft app store. Of course, removing them from the start menu is as simple as right-clicking and selecting remove.

They don't really bother me enough to bother removing them but I can easily see how they'd be annoying to some.

> I think Windows as an OS reached its pinnacle sometime around the XP timeframe; since then it has mostly been frustrating UI changes and feature removals, "security" features designed to lock down your PC against you and instead follow the commands of some corporate entity, and massive amounts of data collection.

This is bullshit.

There have been many huge behind the scenes efficiency improvements plus security improvements.

Seriously, Microsoft has issues but this sort of tripe doesn't help the anti-Microsoft cause.

Innocent bystander here just trying to learn, not trying to defy you, but could you inform me of these improvements? It feels like each iteration of Windows is just getting slower. I feel as though the software is getting worse than the hardware is getting better? Your thoughts?
This is a good time to mention that ad tracking tends to be separate from for example SQM telemetry in general.
What user data is tracked for ads and which ones result in SQM details?

Are changes in tracking behavior detailed in patches?

I think the usage and purpose of the two kinds of data would be completely different.