[jacquesm]

> The device has phone functionality but only with GSM networks,

It does eh ? From your own website, the specs page:

"GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz) via external micro USB dongle"

So, no you don't have phone functionality.

> does it add a lot of value rewriting from scratch like 3000 words ?

Does it add value ? No, but it means that you are not above infringing on someone else's copyright which in turn means that you seem to take a cavalier attitude towards ethics, which in turn reflects badly on your corporate attitude.

And when you're asking people to trust you with their money your ethics are important.

So, your privacy policy is not just 'standard' it is a rip-off.

> What do you find funny about our email address ?

It's RETURNS, not RETUNS.

Thanks!

edit:

And I just realized that your specs page is a rip-off of this apple.com page:

http://www.apple.com/ipad/specs/

Trust me, mr. Legal Entity, that's one of the most stupid things you could have done.

Oh, and the rest of the website is a rip-off of:

http://www.uptailor.com/Dress-shirts-comprehensive/Fabric/fa...

I'm sure they're very happy about that too.

[admin-enso-now]

I think you are just a frustrated mind, that does not have any better reason to spend time. Again, the phone has GSM functionality, if you want to bought it is there for you to try. I did not infringe any copyright, the English language is free and i can use it as i want, i have freedom of speech as you. Our company is not a "corporate" as you call it, it is a startup and we are young guys, and you are just making your self look ridiculous acting like this. I would have expected comments about how to improve. not rude rants like yours. And thanks for let me know about that typo, i will fix it now, English is not my mother tongue anyway. Our spec page is inspired from the apple one, our whole website is differenet. Our company is called Enso Co. Ltd, snf not Mr Legal Entity, so please note it. You really like to spy other people's lifes. Do you have one on your own ? Uptailor.com is my customer. I am a web developer also, so there is nothing wrong with it. All developers recycle their codebase, you did not know that ? It is a pity. Thanks anyway for all your comments. They are precious. Albertp

[jacquesm]

So, after seeing you don't seem to care about ripping off bits and pieces of web design I figured there might be more to this, maybe you ripped off the design of your 'ensopad' too.

Look familiar ?

http://www.smit.com.cn/English/proDetail.asp?InfoId=126&...

[cheald]

To expound on that, http://phandroid.com/2009/08/18/smit-android-mid-560-gets-le... has the OP commenting that he's ordering a lot of the SMiT devices, and is in a "trading" business. I think we're looking at a reseller here, not a manufacturer, which would explain a lot of the confusion regarding the specs and shippability of the device.

[jacquesm]

Good find.

So much for 'prototypes' then, in that post he writes it is a sample. Bit of a difference there.

That also explains why he hasn't got a clue about the normal phases a piece of hardware goes through before you are in a position to ship product.

I still don't get where the discrepancy of "Anyway i am not pre-selling anything, the device is currently produced and i can ship you 500 hundreds of pieces to you in a week." to "I am just a couple of weeks away from being able to ship." comes from as well as the documentation stating clearly that the base unit definitely does not have phone capability (it's marketed as a media player) and yet 'Alberto' states clearly that it has, but on their specs page it says that GSM/EDGE/UMTS are through a dongle.

Maybe his minimum order volume is 500 pieces and he hopes that he can scrape together the money to get the order delivered.

That could lead to 'interesting' situations if not enough people order.

have a read here:

http://www.ipadforums.net/ipad-general-discussions/291-tons-...

I guess selling fake brand watches wasn't enough of an income stream:

http://watch-replicas.net/

enso-now and admin-enso-now are sockpuppets for lostintech, who professes to have some idea of how to spot fake watches:

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1116174

No kidding...

[enso-now]

I really don't know how to react to this comment. It is in normal in China to suffer delays when you order something from a factory. It is normal when doing business in China.

The unit does have phone functionality through the dongle, and a custom application.

Scrape together all the money ? you must be joking. Do you have access to my financial informations, or do you know me personally ?

If the answer is no, how can you tell this ?

Regarding "how to spot fake watches", that's a sick business idea that came out after dealing with watch copies here in China, i thought i could make up a service and help people on eBay.

Yes lostintech and admin-enso-now are other account on my own. Then ?

You have been smart to find http://watch-replicas.net/, but not smart to post it.

I am waiting for your real name and address on my email [e-mail]

My name is

Alberto Armandi

Contact info in Italy

Address : Via pisacane snc, Carbonia, CI, 09013

Telephone : [phone]

Contact info in China

Address : Xianhu Road, manor nature reserve, 11/4F

Telephone : [phone]

I am taking your action against me personally, because you clearly have the intent to make me look like a scammer. I will wait one week before contacting directly a lawyer to obtain your real name by legal means.

Thanks.

Alberto Armandi

[jacquesm]

Alberto, you are really not helping yourself here.

You've had ample opportunity to correct any misconceptions, but with every bit you write you dig the hole a little deeper.

The first thing you need to do before you ask people for their $ is to get a pallet full of those thingies in to your warehouse, or alternatively as much of them as you can afford, send off a couple to hardware review sites (yes, that costs you some money), and then you can start shipping based on how much stock you've got.

> I really don't know how to react to this comment. It is in normal in China to suffer delays when you order something from a factory. It is normal when doing business in China.

That may be. But it is NOT normal to tell people that you can ship product and you ask them for their money when you've only received your first sample yesterday.

If delays in the delivery are normal then don't tell people you can deliver door-to-door in under 10 days.

Or are you now going to tell me that you have a few hundred of these babies in stock ?

> The unit does have phone functionality through the dongle, and a custom application.

So, my netbook has the combined functionality of everything that I could stick in to the USB port ? No, it does NOT have phone functionality, it is a media player with wifi, that you can graft phone functionality on to, but you'll be left with a dongle sticking out of your device, which is not the same as having that functionality built in.

> Scrape together all the money ? you must be joking. Do you have access to my financial informations, or do you know me personally ?

No, but I've done a bit of research by now and I know that you are not currently in the posession of 500 shippable units or their financial equivalent. Not that long ago you were trying to raise a little bit of money for a startup that failed (how is wozad.com these days?), less than three weeks ago you were planning to earn $ by $ for reviewing items to be sold on ebay for their authenticity.

> Regarding "how to spot fake watches", that's a sick business idea that came out after dealing with watch copies here in China, i thought i could make up a service and help people on eBay.

Right. Because selling fake watches is legal in China. But it isn't elsewhere in the world, and that's where you're selling them in to. That's a shady business, one that can land you in plenty of hot water in the US and in Europe.

Basically your business model was on how to detect people that sell the stuff that you sold. Takes one to know one I guess.

> You have been smart to find http://watch-replicas.net/, but not smart to post it.

Why ? Is it a secret ? Would you rather that you had not soiled your reputation by selling counterfeit stuff ?

> I am waiting for your real name and address on my email [e-mail]

If you haven't figured out who I am by now you are really not very clever.

> I am taking your action against me personally, because you clearly have the intent to make me look like a scammer.

You make you look like a scammer.

The product has not been reviewed by any third party, you took deliver of ONE sample yesterday and yet you claim that you can ship, and are willing to take peoples money today.

The only thing I've done is document that.

> I will wait one week before contacting directly a lawyer to obtain your real name by legal means.

Why wait ? Do it today!

Don't bite of more than you can chew though.

And you'd be better of spending that money on getting some of 'your' product so that you can take peoples $ in the confidence that you can actually meet your self imposed shipping deadline.

FYI, your introduction to this post reads: "We realized that it was something needed to get credibility,", instead you've done just about everything that you could to blow your credibility to smithereens.

'borrowed' logos, website content 'inspired' (what a word) by the Apple.com ipad pages, a reseller / white label deal that you present as product development (prototype ??), and a history of selling fake brand name stuff on ebay.

Well done, really.

[admin-enso-now]

When you will come to Shenzhen, setup this business and meet with Smith, maybe you will understand. I am not sure though, you are able to do all these things. I live in China since years and i do trading for a living. i have many connections here that can help overcome any problem. I think i do know much more practical things to get things done in a totally clear way, than you. Sincerely. Alberto

[enso-now]

What did i wrote wrong there ? can you explain?

[enso-now]

Ripped off what ? that is the product i have rebranded and i am selling, please see http://www.ipadforums.net/ipad-general-discussions/291-tons-... . Thank you!