[jalami]

Matrix is interesting. I like where they're going and once their encryption-layer gets out of beta, I'll take a harder look.

Right now there seems to be a significant Axolotl/PEP/ratchet/OMEMO/olm schism[0] that I hope doesn't fracture decentralized IM any more than it is. App-store DRM v. Copy-left purism (not being derogatory) seem to be at the root. At least multiple parties are trying to work together here instead of forging ahead alone. I'm hopeful.

[0] https://github.com/anurodhp/Monal/issues/9#issuecomment-2080...

[Arathorn]

The point of Olm as an independent Apache-licensed double ratchet is absolutely not to fragment E2E, but just provide an alternative clean-room implementation for those who want it (and to be one that we can easily audit and build on for Matrix). We will do everything we can to ensure that Olm directly interops with whatever the OMEMO team ends up doing. Given Olm is written to be compatible with TextSecure this shouldn't be an issue.

Just to be clear: mismatched E2E is obviously the mortal enemy of interoperability. Which is why it's really exciting that so many systems are using Axolotl derivatives, and it's absolutely critical to ensure they can interwork.