[Retra]

While I would agree with that in principle, I think the word "violence" is being stretched a bit. Being unforgiving, stubborn, demanding, hard-hearted, or anything adherence to logic might be claimed to imbue are not acts of violence, even if they are emotionally hurtful to others.

[Jtsummers]

Emotional harm is still violence. it is not a strictly physical phenomenon.

[Retra]

Emotional harm can be violent if it is forcibly inflicted on someone. If they volunteer themselves to be emotionally harmed of their own volition, this is hardly violence.

Rational thought is not violent, no matter how much it pains you to hear what it concludes. Disagreeing with someone is not violence, even if they can't bear to suffer it.

[Jtsummers]

And no violence occurs if I ask you to punch me and you do.

[Retra]

You're really not special, though. Why should I care if you asked me, your family asked me, your culture asked me, or nature itself forced my hand? As long as I have a justifiable reason for doing it, I should do it, whether you think it violent or not.

[Jtsummers]

What does being special or not matter, where did that come from? Violence is violence. It may or may not be morally justifiable. Justifiable violence is still violence.

Is the issue that you think violence only occurs when it's somehow immoral by some code? Hitting someone is violent regardless of the reason why. Applying verbal and emotional force in a way that causes someone distress is violence regardless of the reason why.

Nothing in my posts says that violence itself is inherently wrong. It's a thing, the reason and effect in the situation it occurs determine the rightness or wrongness of the act. Scolding a child can cause temporary distress. This is violence though possibly necessary and right. Telling a child they're worthless repeatedly is violence and also wrong.

Volunteering for violence also doesn't make it not violent. It's still violent. It just changes the calculus on the morality of it.

[Pica_soO]

I was molested by the universe, ever since i was evicted from the save space of the womb. ;)

I would feel so ashamed, for soiling myself with self-pity in public and to perceive the distance others take from me as a success of my output.

[Jtsummers]

Seriously? Where the fuck does this even come from?

Emotional harm is violence. Like all violence it exists on a spectrum.

There's unintended harm, accidental insults and the like. These are easily brushed over for healthy people but for others can become one straw too much.

Sometimes it's intentional and "for their good". Honestly, honesty can be this sometimes. An honest answer may hurt someone but may be exactly what they need. Other times it's just taking it too far and being careless/heartless.

And then there's the truly heinous deliberate form. Ask abused women and children. Did theirs users always hit them? Burn them? Starve them? No. Sometimes, oftentimes, they verbally and emotionally abused them. Keeping them from those who care about them. Creating a bubble around them to keep them despairing. Telling them they're worthless over and over until they believe it.

I don't see where there's any self-pity in my post to be ashamed of. I'm just stating the fact that emotional harm is violence.

[michaelmrose]

That's not what that word means.

[Jtsummers]

Look up the definition if you like.

[oldmanjay]

Was there a meeting where someone took the explicit decision to have followers repeat this lie until other people believed it, or do people like you take it upon yourselves to repeat this lie out of the basic evil in your heart?

[Jtsummers]

What lie? What evil in my heart? Do you know me?