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by jameshart 3680 days ago
Refugees and illegal immigrants are not the same. Seeking asylum is a legal path to immigration in most countries - because most countries are signatories to international treaties which oblige them to accept requests for asylum by legitimate refugees. It is perfectly logical and sensible to be in favor of a humane asylum system and vehemently opposed to illegal immigration.
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How do you tell the difference when everyone who comes by boat claims to be a refugee? Lets not forget they catch planes to Indonesia and then board boats, why not claim asylum in Indonesia?

Lets all get on the same page as well, this is how the United Nation defines an asylum seeker:

The United Nations 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees and the 1967 Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees guides national legislation concerning political asylum. Under these agreements, a refugee (or for cases where repressing base means has been applied directly or environmentally to the defoulé refugee) is a person who is outside their own country's territory (or place of habitual residence if stateless) owing to fear of persecution on protected grounds. Protected grounds include race, caste, nationality, religion, political opinions and membership and/or participation in any particular social group or social activities.

Fleeing poor living conditions or a civil war, do not fall under this description.

Through a humane, fast, fair asylum request handling process. It is acceptable for the answer to "Can I claim asylum in your country?" to be "No". If that is the case, it's in your - and the asylum seeker's - interests to come to that conclusion as quickly as possible.
What if that is what is happening and the people in these detention centers just refuse to go home, I have never seen a single article sharing the stories of these refugees showing how they are actually legitimate refugees, just affectionate language aimed at making you feel sorry for them and angry at the government.
You've only seen "affectionate language aimed at making you feel sorry for them and angry at the government"? Which internet have you been using?
I am talking about the news/journalism, the avenue I would expect to actually drill into the facts, I feel like if there was a human story of a specific group of people who were legitimate Asylum Seekers it would have been written by now, the fact that it hasnt doesnt fill me with confidence.