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>Why not be friendly with Russia, show them the benefits of our society without enforcing our ethics? Why the war mongering? The EU also sneakily, under suspect circumstances put a pro EU person in Power in the Ukraine

Wait now... You are calling EU war mongering? Remind me again who invaded Ukraine when the Ukrainian people wanted to turn towards the west. In direct violation of the Budapest Memorandum.

Putin is no weakling being manipulated by the oligarchs. He may not show off his wealth but make no mistake, he tightly controls the Russian state and oligarchs - not the other way around.

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The pro EU leadership was put in place under very suspect circumstances [0] and can very well be seen as a big FU to Russia. It's all a power game, Russian economy suffers, EU economy suffers, US military-industrial complex and oil industry benefits.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkFVNRZv2eM

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The Russian Economy suffers because they INVADED another country, and shot down a civilian passenger jet among other things

The Maidan movement may be suspect but pale in the comparison to Russia's actions.

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I thought they just asked the people there whether they preferred to be part of Russia or part of a more EU focused new Ukraine. Then the People voted.

And did they shoot down that jet? There really does not seems to be any motive for them (the Russians) to do that. Maybe they fired on a fighter flying in the radar shadow of the commercial jet? How ethical is that? There is still a lot of vagueness around that incident and it not just from the Russians.

But ok, Putin may not be a nice man, I don't really know, somehow he is never ever in the news here. Whenever I look up stuff on the internet he comes across as quite intelligent, not like a tyrant. My point is, should we make the EU's and Russia's economy suffer? I'm betting you don't know any people in agriculture, the flower or the fruit business that lost their jobs because of this stupid boycott. I'm betting it's much worse in Russia. And who are we punishing? Putin? No, those nice people that live in Russia and work hard to make a living.

How would you feel if you lost your job because suddenly the EU would stop trade with the US because your president build a wall on the Mexican border and kicked out friendly Muslim Families? It's all a game to these people. Let's not humiliate ourselves by screaming in forums what they feed us in the media.

When goods don't cross borders, armies will. Were just getting ready for another senseless war because our leaders are dicks.