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by samdoidge 3679 days ago
Counter point: Dictatorship Germany in WW2 produced many scientific advancements.
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But also produced a lot of junk pseudoscience and rubbish when conmen were able to get the credulous endorsement of leaders like Hitler. Plus, you have to remember that Germany was one of, if not the leading scientific and technological powers of the age. In the 1800s and early 1900s, places like America and Japan were still making would-be doctors and mathematicians learn either French or German and study abroad there. Even after English started gaining steam post-WWI and Jews began fleeing Germany, there was still a ton of native talent and expertise.
Sure. Granted, they killed a whole bunch of people for e.g. the medical advancements. And the advancements are at least of dubious value[1].

And other advancements were... not as impressive as elsewhere. See e.g. nuclear science.

But the upside of science under a dictatorship is that you will publish lots of papers claiming successes, for personal health reasons, so you've got that going for you.

[1] http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199005173222006

Warnher-von-Braun (and co.), who brought the fledgling "nazi space science" from the post-war Germany to the US.

if we follow the time-lines of the space exploration of NASA after 1960 and before 1960, his contributions are conspicuously evident.

Example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_%28rocket_family%29

> And other advancements were... not as impressive as elsewhere.

This applies in the case of nuclear, but not in others: jet engine, rocketry.

Counter-counterpoint: Nazi science is one of the main reasons why we have IRBs.

They conducted many unethical experiments to obtain results. If China is researching unethically (by plagiarism, etc), then their work is worthless.