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by theandrewbailey 3682 days ago
I don't understand why Christians get anxious about applying events in Revelations to the current day. Do they not believe that they aren't going to be here for it?
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>Do they not believe that they aren't going to be here for it?

There are three main beliefs within Christianity:

Some believe that the rapture will occur before the rise of the Antichrist and the events described in Revelation (note the singular).

Some believe that Christ will call home the faithful midway through the strife.

Some believe that only those who are faithful for the complete event will be called up.

I haven't read the book myself in a while, but I do remember being told about these three schools of thought, as it were.

Yup, there are three schools of thought.

Premillenialism, Amillennialism, and Postmillenialism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennialism

Most Evangelicals believe in Premillenialism (thank you Left Behind Series) so the grandparent is correct they believe they won't be around for the acts of Revelation. But they are also super paranoid about this stuff and see things like this (and the adoption of stuff like this) as signs that the End Times are coming.

Plus, no one really know which will occur, and there's a field of thought that believe by taking the Mark of the Beast you won't be saved anymore (again, thank you Left Behind series) so they are SUPER paranoid.

There are also Christians who believe it was an allegorical story based on events that were happening when it was written.
Yes, and we call these "most Christians". Dispensationalism of whatever stripe is pretty unusual, for all that it was heavily discussed last decade.
I don't know about this being most Christians. From my hyper-conservative, Christian upbringing to the present day, meeting any who think of Revelation as allegory of events long past has been exceedingly rare. Perhaps especially here in the southeastern US.
The brand of Christianity in which I was trained does not take any of Revelation as a prophecy but rather analogous to what Mark Twain did in "Letters from Earth." Considering John of Patmos' circumstances at the time ( he was living in exile ) and the subsequent scholarship, this is largely the most reasonable interpretation.

The Fundamentalists evolved differently from the main European Christianities - think of a small village of practitioners separated from any strong institutional backing. You'll get "telephone game" distortions.

> Do they not believe that they aren't going to be here for it?

Well, it doesn't really say all Christians get called up before it all goes to heck. Revelations has quite a few stages.

If you accept the way Revelation (and the rest of the entire Bible) was presented, Christians are encouraged to pray for Jesus' return. This means a Christian is supposed to yearn for all these tribulations to happen and reject the evils of the world system even if that means dying for your beliefs in the process. When the corrupt world system (Babylon) is in its death throes, Christians will actively oppose and help speed its destruction.

So, any Christians' anxiety about being alive when the end times occur likely comes from crises of faith or ignorance (which I admit to having more than a bit of each myself.) The odds of being alive in human history at the times of the tribulations are slim, but you are told to make yourself ready spiritually for anything to happen at any time. Different Christian sects have sticking points on the order of when prophesy in the bible have already happened/will happen, and that can cause some spirited disagreements. I suppose those varied viewpoints on timelines may affect peoples' anxiety on these subjects as well.

What I find fascinating about the Revelation story is that the spiritual and physical worlds merge at the end of time. All people who ever lived are brought back to life physically on earth only to be immediately judged by God. People who accept Jesus are saved forever, people who reject Him are punished forever.

So it's not like you "go to heaven" in the end, but rather more like "earth is remade/perfected" and God comes to live there physically with his people. Any "heaven" that exists in the meantime is like a paradisaical holding tank where you wait until the end of days. I suppose that this all reflects a more Jewish mystical view than a Greek or European one, and this view seems more grounded/attainable to me than some nebulous cherubs with harps on clouds in heaven or Valhalla of the gods.

I like the Revelation story because it completes the bible in a very mystical and also very human way. It gives answers to a lot of life's questions and questions about God (like why God lets sin and sinners run amok.)

The message I take from Revelation is that no person is really worthy and technically everyone should be judged guilty because we're all sinners, making us incompatible with God. Only out of one's faith in Jesus who is the savior/perfect sin offering, and by God's grace, can you live as a perfected being with God in His holy city forever.

Well, because there is a decent case to be made, one that is favored by a number of Christian scholars, that at least some of the events the book is referring to occur in the past, not the present or future.