[oafitupa]

Another example is Symfony2, which is completely decoupled (not just loosely coupled). Oh but php programmers are bad, am I right HN?

[vesak]

No. PHP programmers aren't "bad", PHP is.

[spdionis]

+1 for symfony being the perfect example if you're looking for a completely decoupled framework.

[proyb2]

Magento and Shopify backend are awfully slow, it's the language, not the programmers.

[andruby]

Shopify is built on Rails, you know that right?

[spdionis]

And Magento is slow for a whole lot of reasons, nine of which are related to symfony.

[AMHOL]

Magento is slow because it uses EAV

[oafitupa]

You mean the first version of Symfony (Symfony 1, which was monolithic like Rails), and not the current Symfony (Symfony 2/3) which has nothing to do with the old one other than the name.

[proyb2]

I'm aware of that using Rails.