[twotavol]

Why are you lecturing me on visual impairment and disabilities? At no point did I claim you ignore that user base.

>Many of us may not particularly like touch screens, but an incredible number of computers that run Linux/BSD these days have touch screens. Things should work out of the box for these computers whether or not you want one.

Okay so after all that we get to the root of the issue. Instead of a good traditional desktop experience, you want to provide a mediocre desktop/touch hybrid experience. Instead of doing one thing well, the aim is to do multiple things poorly.

[audidude]

I am trying to not come off as lecturing. My apologies if it was interpreted as such. You were making claims and I'm simply trying to provide examples of how other peoples computing experience might not match your own.

> Okay so after all that we get to the root of the issue. Instead of a good traditional desktop experience, you want to provide a mediocre desktop/touch hybrid experience. Instead of doing one thing well, the aim is to do multiple things poorly.

No need to get disparaging here. Clearly we don't want to provide a "mediocre" experience, nor do I think we do.

I also don't agree that supporting touch is some sort of hybrid experience these days. We aren't trying to be a mobile platform. We aren't trying to be a phone platform. Peoples traditional desktops (including many home workstations) have touch. These are real desktops bought by real people who get real work done.

[rootlocus]

I work with a lot of people who have desktops. I have two. I haven't seen anyone use a traditional desktop with touch. No one. Not once. My girlfriend is a 2d artist and she uses a wacom tablet for digital painting in photoshop. That's it.

I always disliked the huge buttons that come by default with some desktop environments, and I'm amazed the argument is "people use touch". As far as I and everyone around me is concerned, no they don't.

If it's an accessibility issue, it should be an optional solution for those who need it, not the default.

[jscholes]

> Why are you lecturing me on visual impairment and disabilities? At no point did I claim you ignore that user base.

Even though they do.