[maxxxxx]

I'd definitely recommend doing this only with someone who has experience and is reasonable. On one of my last camping trips I saw two girls doing mushrooms which ended with one of them running around naked for hours screaming for help and attacking people she thought were demons. This only ended when a park ranger arrested her after a chase through the bushes. Her friend was just watching and smiling.

I am not opposed to drugs but you should know what you are getting into.

[joslin01]

It's true. I tell all my friends / family if you're going to do mushrooms for the first time, do them with me. I've seen the worst of trips and only my experience in knowing "I'm just high" kept me stable. Newcomers can't call on this experience so readily and will undoubtedly think they're the special exception that is going to die.

I also have more advice for newcomer shroomers: one thought can spiral downward or upward. Try your best to stay optimistic and open to the experience. You will not understand everything that happens (and this is a good thing because it's how people walk away feeling like they learned something), but you need to stay open and firm in your conviction that you're ok. As soon as you tell yourself "I think I'm going to die", you will create your own personal hell.

People think "innocence" isn't a feeling -- it's a judgment. They're wrong. Mushrooms evoke a feeling of innocence that brings the typical user back to a childhood state of mind. And while children are pretty stupid (no fault of their own), their perception is typically void of petty judgments adults cling to (by fault of their own). In this newfound awareness, just like a kid, you feel that anything is possible and yearn for adventure. It's a wonderful experience and is what makes mushrooms my #1 recommended drug.

[Voltage]

"I also have more advice for newcomer shroomers: one thought can spiral downward or upward. Try your best to stay optimistic and open to the experience."

I agree that thoughts can spiral out of control, which is to some degree what depression is for me. Trying to stay optimistic and open is a standard day when I'm having a low period.

[joslin01]

This is just a general truth, but is more sensitively felt while tripping on mushrooms. Yes, depression has roots in your thoughts. It is your own value system that has de-valued yourself, and you accordingly feel the results. Remember I said adults cling to petty judgments -- even about themselves. Don't let yourself be your #1 enemy in your thoughts is the best advice I can give.

More generally, it's easier to hate than love in this world. Why is that? What purpose does it serve? Why are thoughts utilized this way? Understanding this is like a key to which you will unlock the gate to your true happiness. Yet be sure not to slip to temptation and justify attack or hatred. The same thoughts that project hatred or attack upon others will be used against oneself as both sword & shield (you will attack yourself for [x] and also start to become defensive about [x]).

[maxxxxx]

If you ever come to LA let's do it :-)

Should add: Would meditation experience help? I feel that my experience helps me dealing with fearful situation. The fear is there but I can watch it and it doesn't define me.

[joslin01]

I'll definitely hit you up on that -- I got friends in LA.

Yep meditation is yet another form of strengthening the resolution within yourself that you have power over your mind. Psychedelics show you this insofar as your effects are felt almost immediately -- this is why I said your thoughts can spiral up or down. Negative feelings must be taken responsibility for with one self and that is all. Even if you were burning at the stake, fear has no utility.

Fear is the ego's chief instrument in ensuring its command over your mind. Humans have not woken up yet to the deeper Life inside of them, and as a result feel victims, and as a result believe fear (and attack) is justified. Veiled in one action or another is the constant reminder that you will die, and it is this idol you serve when you are experiencing fear.

When one is completely silent in meditation, their identification is slowly dissolving from ego to Life. You are sinking into your mind and realizing more & more that your feelings come from your own valuations upon your projections. When this is recognized, the great game you play of devil & angel on each shoulder becomes meaningless and conflict (and thus fear) is dissolved with it. Yet to those who cling to their body for identification and purpose will have a sad life indeed for it is guaranteed to fail.

Now, if you really want to take it even further, I would explain that this world is not real but rather a dream of Hell that we have summoned after purposefully forgetting our creator ("biting the apple", "great fall") so we could be our creators in complete opposition to God. As a result, all fear is rooted in the fear of God and serves as witness that you are what you are not (you are life; you cannot be not life `A != !A`, but having infinite power you can will yourself to forget and live out a dream). Sleeping dreams are merely re-enactments of the great fall we took as one and you get to play out your egotistical desires & fears. In short, fear is never justified because of who you are and any value system with it as its underpinning is not to be trusted.

[t4ngent]

you might want to refer to the manual sections on tolerance and gentleness for a good exposition on why this kind of proselytizing is counter-productive =)

[joslin01]

Excuse me? You think I'm proselytizing? My words echo Truth, which I have voluntarily shared to help all who read it. It has nothing to do with religion nor did I even bring one up.

You are merely be defensive against the greater Truth, and your ego is smug in its defense. I walk the holy path that only healers walk -- what path do you take? Smug dismissals that offer nothing of value? What path is that a part of?

[t4ngent]

Proselytizing need not be linked to religion, you are promoting a thought system (one that I agree with, for what its worth).

Forgive me if I came off as dismissive, that was not the intention. I only meant to suggest that there may be a better way to accomplish your goal, one which is more subtle and gentle.

[qb45]

... while you might want to consult the section on minding your own business and not caring whether you convert anyone or whether anyone cares at all =)

The only proselytizers that get on my nerves are those desperate to be agreed with. It makes we wonder - what do they want of me?

[joslin01]

A proper response indeed. The wolf often comes in shepherd's clothing.

[bluejellybean]

Meditation experience helps a ton! I tell anyone thinking of doing mushrooms/lsd to start meditating for 20 minutes to an hour a day.

Meditating an hour or so before ingesting your substance of choice and then continuing to meditate until you come up helps to ease the stress of going into a trip.. Stress and trips are bad so making that as limited as possible is always good. Set and setting are key here.

[mistermann]

Probably worth pointing out that stress is actually fairly rare (one could think otherwise from your comments). But boy if you encounter it, being pre-prepared for it is a very good idea.