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by Alupis 3690 days ago
You make good points.

I don't necessarily oppose BI, but I am very skeptical of it actually working in practice for any nation. We'll have to wait and see how Finland's experiment works in the long term, but also we should recognize Finland is a small nation (5.3 million population, or about 45% of NYC's population) without a major economy like the US. The successes of one small nation don't necessarily translate into successes for large nations.

> It is very important that any implementation of basic income also do away with minimum wage at the same time.

I would argue, and you touched on, that we would have to do more than just drop minimum wage. We'd have to do away with all forms of social welfare safety nets.

There is a good argument that government would actually save money annually by shifting all forms of social welfare into a BI, due to reduced overhead of management, number of concurrent (and sometimes redundant) programs, folks who abuse/scam the system, etc. With a BI, that would be it, nobody gets any more or less, and you're free to spend it how you see fit.

> the only price inflation you should see

I'm not an economist, however I do believe some inflation is natural. This would mean, that over time, BI would have to be increased, just like our current-day minimum wage program. If we can somehow generate a self-sustaining feedback loop on a BI economy, maybe that works.

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The best thing I can see about a BI system that replaced the myriad of welfare programs we have now is that it (if implemented correctly) would remove a lot of the perverse incentives that keep people at the edge in dependent situations. Anecdata, but I've known people that turned down work or dropped out of the workforce because the extra income would be enough to put their households over the top of certain income "cliffs" that are built into some of the crappy welfare systems they took advantage of - a small bit of extra money wasn't worth crossing that Rubicon of whatever multiple of the poverty line, and losing their heating assistance, or free healthcare, and whatnot.