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by rdtsc 3695 days ago
Surprisingly I can see people here being anti-establishment more than Democrat or Republican.

Both Trump and Sanders are presenting themselves as such.

I have heard more than one time, if Sanders doesn't win, people claim would switch to vote for Trump. Sounds crazy right, well not so crazy if you partition candidates by "entrenched in political establishment" vs "anti-establishment".

As much as Republicans hate Trump. He is probably their best chance at survival. And this is coming from talking to a "rich old white guy" -- the stereotypical Republican. His comment was that based on current trajectory, Republican party will fizzle away.

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> I have heard more than one time, if Sanders doesn't win, people claim would switch to vote for Trump.

Note that lots of PUMAs -- from polling data, more than this is true of Sanders supporters in this election -- said that they would do that if Obama won the nomination in 2008 rather than Clinton. General election polling data found that that group had evaporated by then.

What people say in anger during the primary campaign and what they do in the fall often aren't the same.

Regardless of whether the democratic nominee is Sanders or Clinton, _MANY_ republicans will hold their nose and vote democrat if the republican choice is Trump.

You can't say the same for Sanders supporters. Traditional liberals aren't going to vote Trump under any circumstances.

I have seen so far a lot of claims about the current election proven false.

I think we are in black swan territory.

While I can't vote for Trump, I definitely understand the sentiment. With the exception of a few large mostly coastal cities, the entire country has been in a low grade depression since 2001. Parts of the American interior are nearing collapse of civilization levels of decline.

This is really really dangerous. It's the classic precondition of totalitarianism. Existing politicians in both parties are doing nothing about it. Being occupants of coastal cities (DC) and largely upper class, many don't even seem to realize there's a problem.

I spend my time between Kansas City, Dallas and Austin and at least in those interior parts the world looks amazing and growing well. New restaurants, excellent hospitals and community/four-year colleges, medium to high employment...
Do you have any data to back up your claims that there is an economic dichotomy between central America and the coasts? I certainly don't see it in Kansas City. I would agree that there is a widening chasm between rural America and urban America, but that doesn't encompass the entirety of the country not on a coast.
Which parts of the American interior do you nominate?
Then you should read Scott Adams from Dilbert fame.
Not voting is part of the way there, if you know that a Clinton defeat means a Trump presidency.