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by WWKong 3694 days ago
By enabling social harmony, high quality of life, formation of families, jobs etc. Won't eliminate demand but maybe significantly reduce it.
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I think you (or the people you are describing) are bringing a lot of unjustified assumptions to the table regarding why people make use of prostitution.
Why do they make use of it?
LOTS of different reasons.
You would be amazed if you knew the amount of people who consider a high quality standard the existence of prostitutes both high and low profile.

Also, this weird notion that prostitutes clientele are not family men... Where did this came from?! I would say that it's predominantly married, family-men (whatever that is).

As another commentator said, you're making too many, extremely naive assumptions about a complex topic.

I didn't hear a solution from you. Or are you implying that it is impossible to reduce demand for prostitution? Which would imply that demand is the same in all types of societies, cultures, regions. If that is not true, what makes demand higher/lower in certain societies? You are convinced that the parameters I shared are not the right ones. Let's go with that. What parameters are you proposing? Or are we just going to say, "too complex" and leave it at that?
> I didn't hear a solution from you.

IMHO the solution is to take a way the excitement by legalising the activity in question and create healthy, tightly state-controlled places where prostitutes are protected and taken care of.

> Or are you implying that it is impossible to reduce demand for prostitution?

Without creating an illegal market and/or violent reactions, hardly. Socrates would argue that selling your soul (e.g. being a teacher at Stanford) is equal or worst with selling your body, because sharing your knowledge and "Eureka" moments makes sense only when if/when you enjoy a stimulating conversation. So as far as prostitution goes, I could easily argue that every teacher who gets paid to teach is a soul-prostitute. The fact that you, me and others don't perceive it as a prostitutions has more to do with culture (religion, society, etc.) than anything else.

> Which would imply that demand is the same in all types of societies, cultures, regions. If that is not true, what makes demand higher/lower in certain societies? You are convinced that the parameters I shared are not the right ones.

I disagree with your views on a different levels. I also believe that demand alone doesn't say much. I would prefer a correlation of demand vs violence study on legal vs illegal prostitution countries.

> You are convinced that the parameters I shared are not the right ones. Let's go with that. What parameters are you proposing? Or are we just going to say, "too complex" and leave it at that?

For what kind of parameter are we looking for?! I'm confused :-)

Yes it is complex and sure as hell I don't have a definitive answer and I'm open to suggestions. That doesn't mean that I can't dismiss a simplistic approach that AFAIK never works (prostitutes, drugs, etc.).

There is nothing at all in your post that I disagree with. I'm in support for making it legal and thus safe. But that is a different topic.

The parent asked "how will you reduce demand?". I mentioned some ideas (rather a combination of many factors). There could be many many more ideas. But you called my assumptions naive while coming up with your solution on the lines of, "things that are legal and openly traded have a lot less market than things that are illegally traded". Now many might argue the soundness of such an assumption and call it naive and simplistic.

You say you are open to suggestions. I'm sorry, but it seems more like you are open to suggestions that agree with your views.

> You say you are open to suggestions. I'm sorry, but it seems more like you are open to suggestions that agree with your views.

Doesn't everybody? :-)

Jokes apart, being open to suggestions means that I can entertain an idea without accepting it or dismissing it completely. So here you go: Your approach might work in a country like Switzerland, North Korea, China, etc. where people are prone to order fearfully (N.Korea, China) or otherwise (Switzerland). But I have strong doubts it would work in other countries (US, UK, Portugal, Spain, Germany, Italy, Greece, Croatia, Turkey, etc.), I strongly believe that will have the exact opposite effect, so yes I still consider your approach rather naive: If a legislation could solve something like this, so easily without creating havoc, it would have been applied long time ago in pseudo-puritan societies like the US IMHO.

"Happy" and economically well-off patrons will disagree with your assessment.