[chlee]

On a tangential note.

I've spoken to a few hiring managers who have expressed disappointment with some of the hires that they have made straight out of bootcamps (w/o prior CS knowledge or fundamentals).

Specifically, the bootcamp graduate are smart, motivated, and know their specific toolsets well. However, they tend to struggle a bit if you place them outside their comfort zone.

Is this a sentiment that others have heard through their work colleagues or friends as well?

[DarkTree]

>However, they tend to struggle a bit if you place them outside their comfort zone.

I mean.. yeah, I think you could say that for most people. I would also think that when hiring a bootcamp graduate you would already have some inherent bias, almost like you are waiting to find their weaknesses. Basically, it's easy to place the blame for their struggle on their bootcamp degree, when it could really just be that it would be hard for anyone. Just a thought

[draker]

This is something that has made me hold back from applying for development positions. I like to really understand the how and why of things (and feel like that is what expected of a developer), which is why I started learning CS concepts after being frustrated following tutorials/books that just asked you to follow the specific steps for the framework.

I have done Harvard CS50 and am working through Berkeley cs61a (with the goal to then do 61b/c), the Stanford database class and reviewing maths on Khan academy. I'll likely apply for a front-end position first even though I enjoy back-end more because I don't feel like I am at the level that is expected of a back-end or fullstack developer.

[Scea91]

I believe it is, because as Elon Musk said, education is like a tree.

These people learn about the leafs of a tree (specific tools) but don't learn about the trunk and branches that hold them (fundamental CS educaton).

[sotojuan]

I've heard the same thing about college graduates with minimal or no experience (no internships, for example).

[honua]

Well, they don't have a lot of experience yet.. given time I imagine that they'd grow their zone of comfort