[kfk]

Interesting, though physical residency must come in at some point, otherwise who pays taxes for the country you actually live in? But hey, if they start making good laws, I'd move there, as European it's very easy. But good laws means also lower taxes and a decent healthcare at decent prices.

[GordonS]

> But good laws means ... decent healthcare at decent prices

I'd say it means decent healthcare, universally free of charge.

[kfk]

For cancer yes, but for a back pain? It's very hard to make universal healthcare because universal healthcare is a very subjective term. The only way to make healthcare universal is to work out serious insurance plans and then make sure that what's not covered is priced honestly.

[GordonS]

> For cancer yes, but for a back pain

Yes. Someone shouldn't have to suffer in pain because they work a low paid job, or are unemployed.

> The only way to make healthcare universal is to work out serious insurance plans

It's not the only way. The other way is for our taxes to foot the bill, as we do in the UK with the NHS.

The NHS is far from perfect, with long waiting lists and varying levels of care depending on your location - but it works, and provides universal healthcare to the whole of the UK.

[kfk]

Well, I have never seen a healthcare system that works well for non-deadly issues like back pain and I have lived in Italy, Denmark and Germany. Also, at the end of the day somebody has to pay the bill, so either you pay with taxes or someone else has to pay yours with his taxes. Considering population is getting older, people that can pay your healthcare bills are going to be scarcer and scarcer. From a practical standpoint, what you want is unattainable. If we focus on the right stuff, instead, we can make sure that we are all better off, while right now public healthcare is a joke and people end up paying the same thing 2 times (first public healthcare insurance, second the private doctor).

[Retric]

IMO, the real goal should not simply be triage. 'Saving lives' is a huge part of why healthcare costs keep increasing. If you focus on quality of life things like late stage Cancer become lower priority's.

PS: If we spent 5% as much on back pain research as we have on Cancer there would likely be a range of viable treatments for most issues.

[GordonS]

> Well, I have never seen a healthcare system that works well for non-deadly issues like back pain

As above, see the UK for a good example. TBH, I don't really know how healthcare works anywhere but the UK and US, but I had sort of assumed that other EU countries had a similar universal system to that of the UK.

> people that can pay your healthcare bills are going to be scarcer and scarcer

Your point has some validity, but tax revenues do not just come from personal income tax. Corporation tax, VAT, petroleum tax, council tax, insurance tax, air tax, road tax... christ, there is hardly anything that isn't taxed!