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by dcposch 3705 days ago
No, we need both politics and technology.

First, we need an organized and determined political movement to defend civil liberties in general and our right to privacy in particular. To an extent the EFF and ACLU fill that role, but I think we can do better.

Check out the NRA for example--I happen to oppose its mission, but I am still impressed by its effectiveness. The NRA can literally decide which political campaigns get funded. If a congressperson supports real gun control, suddenly they have a well funded opponent in the primary. We need that level of organization.

When our own ancient and tech illiterate congresspeople here in California try to ban encryption, we need to be organized so we can get together and replace them.

Second, we need technology that provides privacy by default. For example, WhatsApp for messaging. E2E encryption is not magic, but it does make mass surveillance a lot harder, because there's no central database of everyones conversations. It does a lot to protect ordinary citizens from fishing expeditions.

Deprecating plain HTTP, making HTTPS ubiquitous for the web, is also a huge win and is already underway.

Both parts go together. We need to work on the politics and on the technology of freedom at the same time.

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I really don't understand people who think politics is something we need. Why? Why do you need a select group of people to tell the rest how they should live their lives?
If you want no government control whatsoever, move to northern Somalia.

If you want good governance that respects individual freedom, you have to work for it. "The price of liberty is eternal vigilance."

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And re: crypto making government "irrelevant", to use your word, that's not how it works.

https://xkcd.com/538/

The problem with your suggestion of moving to Somalia: if you want government, move to North Korea. Do you see the absurdity?

> And re: crypto making government "irrelevant", to use your word, that's not how it works.

It makes it irrelevant by making it more costly for government to remain in control, not by making physical extortion impossible. If you can't easily tax people by just looking into their bank account and finding out whether they owe you tax money, then you need to physically send a police officer to each household to check for Bitcoin wallets or gold or whatever represents value. That's costly.

> If you want good governance that respects individual freedom, you have to work for it. "The price of liberty is eternal vigilance."

Work != voting and believing in democracy with all its bells and whistles. Work means respecting other people's freedom and being able to protect your own. Thinking only government is able to protect people's freedom is like thinking only a slaveowner can provide food and shelter for the slaves.

Because there are people who want to do that. And if you will refuse to decide on this group of people democratically, you'll get a group of completely different people get into that position via violence.
Politics is something that effects you even if you don't it to, it takes only one side to make a war.
Sounds more like you aren't trying to understand it.
No, I'm just a bit exhausted from talking about it. Yes, I think government and democracy in general are bad concepts. Yes, i think people would be much better off without both. If you want to explore the idea, you just need to start asking yourself the right questions and if the only answer is "nope, can't be done without government" you're not thinking hard enough.
Your stand is not clear. Are you in favour of a complete lack of governing bodies or an enlightened tyrant or something else ?
Sounds like a libertarian, see his post above.