[overcast]

The thing that people need to realize about this 4K PS4, is that is just the up-converted output. There is NO WAY this new PS4 is rendering anything at a full 4K resolution. You need an extremely powerful desktop to handle such resolutions, even without post processing.

It's sad because Sony has made all the right moves this generation, completely crushing competitors, and now they attempt this incremental nonsense, which was the whole reason consoles were separate from PC's.

[gambiting]

The thing you need to realize is that you haven't had a chance to play with the new PS4 or seen its documentation, so you don't know. Rendering at 4K is not difficult at all, the question of course, is how much fidelity you need to sacrifice to enable smooth gameplay in that resolution.

[overcast]

Yes, sure, if you want to render a 4K floating cube. However, a single $700 GTX 980 or even a $1000 Titan X , can't even handle 4K games. Unless you enjoy playing at sub 30FPS levels. PS4 surely isn't fitting either of those monsters in its form factor for $400.

[paulmd]

It all depends on settings. I play on a 780 Ti, which performs equivalently to a 970 (but with less memory). Many games can be played at 4K/medium and maintain reasonable framerates (45-60 fps) - FO4, Mad Max, TF2, etc. I had a R9 280 (aka Radeon HD 7950) before that, and it was surprisingly good at 4K too considering its age.

You only need multiple Titans if you insist on 4K ultra with everything turned up all the way. Consoles typically don't do that, it's always a graphical compromise to make the hardware work at some reasonable level of graphical fidelity. And typically they only target a 30fps framerate anyway.

I have to make the same compromises myself - some settings hurt much more than others as you increase the resolution, but you can find some balance that looks good. Anything that can't be played at 4K can be played at 1440p High or 1080p Ultra and upscaled. 4K is pixel-dense enough that some destructive resizing from 1440p isn't a big deal, or 1080p scales perfectly 4:1. Right now most consoles are doing medium-quality 720p and scaling up the output, so ultra-1080p is still a big step forward compared to a console.

Right now the Playstation 4 has 1152 GCN 1.0 cores, so it's between the performance of a Radeon HD 7850 (1024 GCN 1.0 cores) and the 7870 (1280 cores). Something in the 390 or 970-class would probably be reasonable, that's about 80-90% faster. Maybe 980 or 390X-class on the high end, which are 100-110% faster. And remember that on consoles you get the benefit of a single hardware set that you can optimize for, and play low-level micro-optimization tricks with (GCN is great for this).

Nobody knows where the new Polaris/Pascal chips will fall on the scale, but that performance tier will probably be considered a midrange chip at that point.

Do I think Sony will invest that much in a premium hardware configuration? I have my doubts. But it's certainly possible to make an engineered solution that will play 4K@30fps reasonably well inside a console footprint, particularly once we get the node shrink from Polaris/Pascal.

[dbgm]

This push of hardware may be for 4k videos and not necessarily 4k games. It may also be for better VR. 4k games are an absurd idea that probably no one even considers tbh.

Plus, it's not even talked about in the article. What motivated your comment?

[overcast]

4K is the whole reasoning behind the "PS4.5" being a thing. It's been mentioned from the very beginning. Yes I agree, it's probably for the VR aspect, but the real issue is going to come when games actually run better on the 4.5 hardware. "Early" adopters get screwed, which defeats the purpose of console hardware.

[gr3yh47]

980s play in 4k just fine for most games on high/ultra