[thucydides]

Again, you make two claims here. 1: co-pays for Daraprim are very high. 2. Turing does not reimburse for those high co-pays.

You're right about number 1.

You cite no evidence for number 2. For its part, Turing says they reimburse for the high co-pays. Why wouldn't they? It would be a PR disaster not to reimburse, so it's manifestly in their interest. And they're making such a fat profit they can afford to reimburse people for high co-pays.

Page 4 of the document you cited is just a list of examples of high co-pays. Yes.

Again, where's the evidence that Turing does NOT reimburse for those co-pays? Do you have an example?

[gizmo]

The evidence is right there in the PDF as well as in the C-SPAN videos I linked. I'm not going through 8 hours of video I watched several months ago to find the exact timestamp, but since you claimed you researched all this you must have watched the videos with all the damning testimony they contain already. It's pretty clear at this point you refuse to acknowledge any evidence that makes saint Shkreli look bad so there's no point in going back and forth any further.

From the memo I linked earlier:

> The email stated that the first patient “has a $6000.00 co-pay. She is not a Medicare part D but has a federal funded insurance plan so wouldn’t quali[f]y for co-pay assistance or be covered under whatever Medicare Part D plan you are working on right now with Turing.” The email stated that the second patient “has insurance, however her plan does not cover Daraprim. Attempted to transfer to UCB for free drug program but was advised that because she has insurance, she does not qualify. Free drug program is only for patients with no insurance.”

Basically, Turing says "sorry, you don't qualify". Turing denies people's claims repeatedly, because they just don't give a fuck. Not to mention the obvious problem of patients not being able to afford the co-pay, thereby having to go without the pills. I've clearly demonstrated that there are cases where patients cannot get the medicine they need as a direct consequence of the price hike. But hey, feel free to believe Turing is acting honorably because they want to protect their reputation. Believe whatever you want. I'm done here.

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[thucydides]

I don't have a horse in the race. I just think you're not reading these documents carefully or considering the evidence carefully.

For example, that case you cite above, the $6k copay. OK. Read the memo closely. A Walgreens exec is emailing a Turing exec citing a patient's problem with Turing's bureaucracy.

How was the problem resolved? Did Turing pay? You say that CLEARLY Turing didn't end up paying in this particular case, because you hate Turing, but the document doesn't say. And you have no idea. Neither do I, but I'm not pretending.

Generally: Turing says, for goodwill, they give away 60% of the drug for a dollar.

Do you know of even one case where someone - verifiably - fell through the cracks and Turing refused to EVER pay?

Are you opposed to the idea of pharmaceutical companies selling orphan drugs at high prices ($100k, $300k, or more)? Or are you only opposed to Turing's purchase of Daraprim and raising the price? Would you still oppose them if, in 10 years, it turned out Turing's profits had, e.g., produced a PKAN drug? Do you know a better way than high drug prices to incentivize the creation of drugs for serious rare diseases?