[jordanlev]

I think this is the crux of people's issues with bootstrap -- it SHOULD be used by non-designers for things like dashboards and internal apps. But the poo-pooing comes when actual designers use it to be lazy and not actually design anything specific to the site's purpose.

[danneu]

So basically not issues with Bootstrap, but an avenue for people on the internet to feel superior to a group that I'm not even all that convinced exists in any real quantity.

The problem with Clojure is those developers that just copy and paste code off Stack Overflow. Clojure is just so darn composable that it probably really causes problems for people out there with those copy-cats on the loose!

[jordanlev]

My comment definitely didn't come off with my intended attitude. I am not looking down on anyone, and I think bootstrap's success speaks for itself.

Just observing what I see -- that nobody is making fun of people who use bootstrap for a dashboard interface or an app, rather the complaints against bootstrap I think revolve around seeing it used for marketing / informational / portfolio sites all over the place, thus resulting in a company or organization or person not really having a site designed with their own brand/personality/messaging in mind.

[codeisawesome]

Don't understand why you're being downvoted. Good design for Company X does not necessarily reflect with what great design means for Bootstrap (I say this as a guy who almost never gets anything designed anymore). But it's a matter of budget reality for most people and companies that - it's really expensive to have competent developers AND competent designers for fledgling products. Perhaps there ought to be more money - and spread out better - in startups & product companies.