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by dzhiurgis 3705 days ago
How advanced are the sorting facilities? I assume they must use some image recognition and robotics already. Do they use deep learning yet?
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   Do they use deep learning yet?
"yet" ? Deep learning is no panacea - it's not clear why this would even be on a top 5 list of approaches to try on a putative ML part of the process. There seems to be a lot of confusion on this, generally.

Most likely they just use cheap labor for sorting

I'd think once you have built sensors that can digitize the whatever properties of the plastic that are relevant to sorting them, actually recognizing the different types of plastics would be rather simple.
You can use spectrometers to identify different types of plastic, e.g.

http://www.thermoscientific.com/content/tfs/en/product/micro...

Deep learning isn't required.

The main challenge is in sorting. I'm not sure how you could do this efficiently with machines that are as affordable as the Precious Plastic designs.

Sorting all the plastic waste of a major city is very hard.

Sorting your own or picking stuff out of a skip to gather enough to make a lampshade or a few coat hangers is probably more doable.

Sure, it works fine if you're selective about the plastics you use, especially if you avoid using objects that were made using a mixture of different plastics.
Honest question, what's likely to happen if you mix plastics? I understand how if melting points are different you might get odd results, and I'm guessing maybe very different materials won't bond at all leading to cracks in the final product. But if you doing something like they show in these videos, heating it to <200 degrees and just pressing the result into sheets or blocks that can be cut with hand tools, or doing very simple injection molding, can't you get away with a lot that might not be acceptable in an automated, professional setting?

Note that I'm thinking entirely in terms of what I might do myself in my workshop, not what'd scale to a city-wide or country-wide recycling system.

> "Honest question, what's likely to happen if you mix plastics?"

It's a good question, and the answer I'll give is that I'm not 100% sure. These links may be of interest:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/02/science/polymers-why-some-...

http://www.lotfi.net/recycle/plastic.html

If you find any other clear information about this subject I'd be interested in learning more.

Well, I know that some thermoplastics can be mixed with good results. I've a roll of polycarbonate-ABS in my printer right now. Normally polycarbonate prints at 310C, and this blend prints at 295C.

Ive seen other blends as well, with intermediate temps between the 2 initial plastics. Now, I only have experience with PLA, ABS, Nylon, PVA, Polycarb-ABS, and HIPS. A lot of this is still unexplored as it took industrial quantities to do anything.

WHat these machines will allow is experimentation on small batches and how plastics work and don't work. And that's awesome.

But how many hangers do you really need? I am sure we consume order of magnitude more single use containers than long term products.
I strongly suspect that the overwhelming majority of the world's recycling plants use cheap human labour, especially for tasks such as sorting.

http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/witness/2015/05/unwasted...

Ars Technica has a few great articles about recycling: http://arstechnica.com/search/?ie=UTF-8&q=recycling

Including one that goes into depth about sorting: http://arstechnica.com/science/2015/12/recycling-matching-hi...