[tfm]

It doesn't really seem in this case that the budget overrun is the most controversial bit. The sting in the tail is that it resulted in the duplication of existing bus routes with an infrequent service and a comparable travel time. As an MVP it is terrible - what would the Show HN comments be like? "did you even identify your target market?"

The more disappointing part is that it tends to poison the well for ambitious public transport projects in future. That Leith extension will come some time after the Last Trumpet.

But, you know, just as long as RBS got their lovely public funded tram linking Gogar Deathstar to town then it was all worth it.

[takno]

Every time I've been on it it's been busy and reasonably fast, an impression which is well backed up by the usage stats. Definitely speeds up a lot of journeys from Edinburgh park. My impression is that most of the criticism comes from people heading to the airport where the bus is still by far the best option, although even then trams successfully drag people onto public transport who have strong prejudices about buses.

[Chyzwar]

It is pathetic slow. This trams should travel 70-100km/h not 40km/h. It is also almost empty between 10-16 when people are at work in banks (Gogarburn, Gyle). Ticket system is also ridiculous, you need to validate you card twice.

[gsnedders]

Where does the 40km/h speed come from? As far as I'm aware, much of the system allows 70 km/h operation.

[takno]

The speed from the airport down to the depot is pretty shocking, mostly because it takes a whole bunch of ridiculously tight turns. Once it's through that it picks up quite a lot. Never seems to zoom along, although as much as anything else I think that's because it's a much smoother ride than the bus.

[gsnedders]

> The speed from the airport down to the depot is pretty shocking, mostly because it takes a whole bunch of ridiculously tight turns.

That's true, though it's only c. 3km of the 14km route. Certainly the 10km/h restriction round those bends makes it seem crazy slow and impedes progress out there. (I originally wrote, though deleted it, a question wondering how big the time saving would be; perhaps a minute?)

The section beyond Murryfield is mostly straight and it does get up to a fair speed between stops, which are mostly about 1km apart. It's the crawl around Murryfield (due to having to take a circular route around the edge of Haymarket (railway) depot) and the curves out by the airport that really kill any feeling of speed, though, no matter how fast it gets up elsewhere.