[runchberries]

Yeah. In Palo Alto my crappy 1 bedroom apartment that I was living in 3 years ago was in the middle of suburban jungle (no restaurants or shops for a few miles in any direction) and was $1650. I looked last week and it was $2500. That was a crappy place.

If you want to live by downtown PA (university Ave) its right around $2800-3000 for a 1 bedroom, for places with 20 year old appliances and no upgrades.

The peninsula is just as bad because of school preferences, etc.

New engineers getting hired in MV and PA literally can't afford to live by themselves in a 1 bedroom. That is fucked.

[shostack]

Can you clarify where in PA you were that had no restaurants or shops for a few miles in any direction? PA is relatively small, and there aren't any apartments further west in the really nice parts. Further east there are still stores and shops and such (albeit not as nice as near downtown).

[runchberries]

Past past California ave about 2 miles near el camino. It was a little over 2 miles to California Ave and maybe 2 miles to the san Antonio shopping center. They weren't pleasant walks the most direct way (along el camnino) and even longer if you decided to take the scenic route and everything is spread out.

Not an impossible feat to bike, but the energy is low and there are much better ways to spend rent money.

[ZanyProgrammer]

Like down El Camino towards California Avenue and beyond, I'd think.

[ZanyProgrammer]

Well what they really do is live further out, displacing poorer people. Places like Sunnyvale and Santa Clara are more doable.