[pigpaws]

not compared to a high carb/sugar based diet as we can plainly see in everyday life.

Re: 20820038 - Keto is low carb, moderate protein. it doesn't really matter where you get the protein from.

Re: 22850371 - Again, Ketogenic is not HIGH protein diet as eating too much protein is just turned into sugar which defeats the whole purpose of eating keto... so yes, if you eat a lot of fat, and a lot of sugar, you will die sooner.

re: Cell.com - it measured whether or not these people went into ketosis for 6 whole days, when it takes upwards of 3 months to become keto-adapted. It takes the average person (not the morbidly obese person) 3-5 days just to get into ketosis, let alone keto-adapted.

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how could I calculate what is moderate compared to high protein? I agree with you, but don't know when I am in eating too much protein.

[pigpaws]

every one is different. I have found a good basic starting point (for me) would be .5g protein per pound of body weight and then lower it based on how you feel. So for a 240lb person who does not lift 'for gains', maybe goes to the gym twice a week, ballpark of 120g (+/- 20%) a day would be fine, it just depends on how you feel.

Keto macros are supposed to (generally) be:

80% calories from fat (I try to get 200g/day)

15% calories from protein (I try to keep mine around 120g/day)

5% calories from carbs (keep it under net 20g/day)

This is pretty difficult to do. I usually end up somewhere around 70-75% fat, 7%ish carbs, 20%ish protein. But at least I can eat bacon wrapped avocados without guilt... i'm constantly adjusting to get my macros. I just added MCT oil to the daily diet.

I was (am?) obese when I started this and I've dropped a considerable amount of weight (30+lbs), and my blood sugar has dropped and stabilized. I'm not keto-adapted yet, though.