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> And, to be fair, they would also be deprived of the last shred of choice left in health care. Want a second opinion under that system?

Why would nationalized healthcare prevent the opening of private clinics?

> health care is ever going to be truly available to all, it's going to be through the same means and rules that gave us the iPhone.

You seem to not realize that some people can't afford food and clothing, forget iphones.