[Aoyagi]

I'm yet to understand all the attention smartphones get. Perhaps there are users out there to whom it is appealing, but personally I don't see the need for the features they bring out like address books and instant messaging in the phone or taking photos. These are things I can already do using standalone applications or other devices. I would rather a phone be simple and most importantly reliable and fast.

[tokenizerrr]

That analogy makes no sense. "standalone applications" running on what? a non-smart phone? that would make the phone smart.

[fwn]

I think the humorous type of "standalone application" in this analogy would be a physical camera, a physical address book etc.

[tokenizerrr]

But right after that they say "or other devices". So my question is: Where is this standalone application, that can apparently do what a smartphone does, running on? It's apparently not an "other device".

[Etheryte]

I don't see you making a point that is relevant.

[Aoyagi]

I thought it was pretty clear. Maybe I should have used "Swiss army knife" instead of smartphones?

The point is that Vivaldi is a toolbox. Some people like toolboxes.

[Etheryte]

I wouldn't say it's a toolbox, it's just another browser with some more sugar strapped to it out of the box. Coming back to your smartphone analogy, it's just another smartphone with more stock apps that many users don't want at all.

[Aoyagi]

You mean like pre-built toolboxes have some tools many people don't really want? Good thing people can choose the toolboxes they find the most ideal, even if it contains only a hammer and a duct type and a lot of empty space, isn't it? :)

When Opera switched from Presto to Chromium, it was about as fast, but it was much lighter. Yet, almost every Opera fan/"customer" at the time was pretty mad. It was not because they were attached to Presto, but because of the huge feature depreciation. It's the features what made people use Opera until its 12th iteration, and some even use it today despite it having huge issues chewing through the bloat of JS on some sites.

[V-2]

If I recall correctly, Opera dropped even bookmarks at that point.

[Aoyagi]

Yep! They brought that revolutionary feature back in about a year.