[tomlock]

>>You can have a utilitarian moral philosophy

Let me stop you right there. You can have a utilitarian moral philosophy, sure. But the question of if you ought to have such a philosophy is a philosophical one. To get to the point of having tests of optimized utility there is an underlying question that has no tests, which is are tests for utility really the best tests to run?

Its either turtles all the way down: tests testing the effectiveness of tests, or, you get into philosophy.

[maaku]

Which is arbitrary and meaningless.

Have fun with your waste of a mind.

[tomlock]

Interesting. What test do you propose to determine whether it is arbitrary and meaningless?