[tomdale]

Yes, it relies heavily on Ember CLI.

[k__]

Sad to hear. I switched to React last year because I had the fear this would happen.

[quaunaut]

May I ask what your reticence is to Ember-CLI?

[k__]

I dislike code generators and want to use my own tooling for building, testing, etc.

In my eyes Ember has become an old-school Rails like Blob and newer frameworks are more about modules and "Bring Your Own Tools". I mean who, besides Ember, uses Broccoli?!

[quaunaut]

But what exactly is the point of a framework if you're bringing your own tools?

[k__]

To me it always feels like they devs admit they failed the day they start to include code generators into their frameworks.

[quaunaut]

That seems to me like a really bizarre thing based on a really personal story(that I'd like to hear). After all:

* Code generators can speed up development * They give newbies a better idea of how the framework should be treated * They give the framework a more dependable layout * They still provide the escape hatch of not using them!

What would a dev have failed at simply because they built a code generator?