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by thinkpad20 3742 days ago
Am I parsing it incorrectly in my head, or does this project have a blatantly antisemitic name?
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You are reading correctly. The project name doesn't follow English inflection rules. Just as e.g. "tap" becomes "tapped", "kik" should become "kikked". "Kiked" is an inflection of "kike", just as "liked" is an inflection of "like" and "taped" is an inflection of "tape". This mistake is easy to make, since there aren't any English verbs spelled ending "ik"; words with this sound are instead spelled ending "ick".
The "Kiked" should probably be read as "Kik'ed" and in any regards, "Kikked" would be wrong. Kik is an entity and not a word in itself here. Try replacing it with "IBM'ed", "Microsoft'ed", "Facebook'ed" etc. The last one is the closest one, you wouldn't be saying "Facebookked".

As a side-note, I in no way think the author made any association with the word kike. Even though I know the word, I didn't jump to that conclusion at least, especially given the context.

The entity has nothing to do with it. Back when I worked for the comparison shopping NexTag, for example, people would certainly joke about being 'nextagged', not 'nextaged', which would've been read as something completely different.

None of IBM, Microsoft, or Facebook end in exactly one 'short' vowel plus one consonant, which is the rule, in English, that determines when the final consonant is doubled. That's why your examples don't work.

Other languages might have special rules regarding proper nouns and their use as verbs, but English doesn't. Basically, we follow the normal rules for words, except in cases where that would cause a problem. In this case, following the normal rules prevents a problem.

Incidentally, I would suggest "Microsoftened", since "soften" is already a verb that everyone is comfortable using. "Facebooked", of course, was a normal word in common use before anyone ever heard of Zuckerberg. Two vowels followed by a consonant is simply a different situation than one vowel followed by a consonant.

Also, booked is the correct past tense anyway, so Facebookked is a bad example.
I'm not a native English speaker but to me, "kik'd" would feel more correct, maybe because it makes it clearer that kik is not a normal verb.

In any case, I think that it's fair to inform the author but feeling offended seems unnecessary. I had certainly never heard this word before and judging from the other threads here, neither had several native English speakers. To think that it was done on purpose seems really far fetched to me.

Well said (ditto for Tehnix). It would have also worked to name the site `canibekik-ed`.
You are parsing it incorrectly.

Can I be 'kik'-ed.

Kik being the operative word here not the slur to which you refer.

Perhaps my background makes me a little more attuned to this particular word, but 'kike' practically leapt off the page to me.

In English, words ending in a single short vowel followed by a single consonant double the consonant before adding '-ed' to form the past tense. That's the grammatical rule.

I still can't tell if this project is by someone with bad grammar or some 4chan-bred bigot trying to make a double entendre, but either way, it's fucking obnoxious to see it on the front page of Hacker News.

I'm a native English speaker, and probably would have made the same mistake. 'Kick' conjugates as 'kicked', so I would have conjugated 'Kik' as 'Kiked' and 'Kikked' just looks weird to me. Though I've heard the term 'kike' before, I certainly don't hear it enough (I'm in the UK FWIW) that I would have recognised it unless it was pointed out (and obviously at that point would adjust the name).

Your posts come across as ascribing malice to a fairly trivial (IMO) mistake. Politely pointing out that the name could be misinterpreted to be a derogatory term would have been a been course of action.

Never attribute to 4chan that which could adequately be explained by bad grammar.
> either way, it's fucking obnoxious to see it on the front page of Hacker News.

Of course, because you can't read, it's obnoxious to be on the front page.

Seriously? I really don't think the author of this module sat down and thought, "hrm... how can I blatantly offend people" when they came up with the name.

Wouldn't you rather believe that this person didn't maliciously name this thing and get on with your day? Not everyone on earth is a horrible person.

That's why I prefaced my remark by asking if it was my mistake. I'm not familiar with the verb "kik", but I am aware of the slur. I'll happily believe that no offense was meant, but I don't think there's anything wrong with pointing out what I consider a pretty poor naming choice.
Yeah, I'm thinking you don't have to live with 4chan and Twitter tolerating and increasingly normalizing anonymous bigots calling your ethnic group, which has been the target of genocide before, the equivalent of a nigger.

Do you have any idea how telling me to 'smile a little' about this comes across?

It's an unfortunate naming choice, it's obvious the author didn't intend for it to happen given the context of the situation. Nobody is trying to use the ethnic slur against you in this situation, and you are, quite frankly, overreacting to the whole thing.

A lot of horrible things have happened to Jewish people in the past, yes, but that doesn't give you the right to leap down someone's throat for what looks to be a very honest mistake.

The author's intentions are not remotely obvious. It just as easily could be an anti-Semitic double entendre referring to both the kik situation and Jews, and I'm still not at all certain HN isn't being deliberately trolled with this submission.

Determining how I respond to ethnic slurs against me or my people really isn't up to you, either.

It may come as a surprise to you, but "ethnic slurs" is not in the curriculum for English, especially not overseas. This thread is the first time I have ever heard it, and I grew up in Canada with some of my best friends being Jewish. If I hadn't heard it till now, I can sure as hell tell you the author most likely hasn't as well.

And seriously, what do you honestly believe happened here? That an Italian, non-native English speaker incorrectly conjugated the non-verb "kik" into the best he could? Or that he knowingly and maliciously took a jab at all Jewish people for seemingly no reason whatsoever? If it's honestly the latter, then I feel sorry for you.

No, I can't tell you how to respond. But I can sure as hell tell you when you're coming off like an asshole by responding in the way you do.

Teacher: "Be sure to read the next chapter for Monday. It's on ethnic slurs. You'll need to know this for trolling."
Kik was the name of the npm package that is the source of all the recent hullabaloo.

"Kiked" is an instance of unfortunately misinterpretable verbing. I parsed it that way too at first.

Sorry if it is rather obvious, but I cannot see it. Would you care to elaborate? (no native English speaker here)
It's the last five letters without the d. It's an ethnic slur for a Jewish person.

Here you go if you're interested in the history or etymology: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kike

The Etymology is fascinating:

> The word kike was born on Ellis Island when there were Jewish migrants who were also illiterate (or could not use Latin alphabet letters). When asked to sign the entry-forms with the customary "X," the Jewish immigrants would refuse, because they associated an X with the cross of Christianity. Instead, they drew a circle as the signature on the entry-forms. The Yiddish word for "circle" is kikel (pronounced ky-kul), and for "little circle," kikeleh (pronounced ky-kul-uh). Before long the immigration inspectors were calling anyone who signed with an "O" in place of an "X" a kikel or kikeleh or kikee or, finally and succinctly, kike.

Native english speaker here, and I have no idea what part of this might be considered anti-semitic.

Maybe it's only in some parts of the world?

kik = a messaging app

kike = a jewish person

To be clear, the second is an offensive, derogatory slur for a Jewish person.
Weird. I'm from Texas, in my 30's, and have never heard the word before. Then again, growing up I never heard anyone talking bad about Jews either.
I've never heard anyone say it in person, but I do remember the first time I was aware of it. The story is here under "Dispute regarding lyrics and context": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/They_Don%27t_Care_About_Us
I think you would have to wallowing deep in anti-semitism to use a word like that so it is a good thing you aren't surrounded by people like that.
Or live in a predominant Jewish community and hear kids on the playground using it as a joke because both parties were Jewish.
Me too. I think the owner of this project needs to have a serious think about the name, ironically.
For me the irony comes from the library being a name checker for trademarked words that itself could have benefited from some name checking itself.
I read it the same way. I don't think it was intentional. I think this name without the e would be much better.
If the word isn't appropriated for other things its meaning will never change.