[kirykl]

interesting view that bypasses a great filter. Advanced without technology. Highlights that technology really might be an anti-pattern.

But Carl Sagan would probably refute that - "It is perfectly possible to imagine civilizations of poets or (perhaps) Bronze Age warriors who never stumble on James Clerk Maxwell’s equations and radio receivers. But they are removed by natural selection. The Earth is surrounded by a population of asteroids and comets, such that occasionally the planet is struck by one large enough to do substantial damage." http://gencodesignal.info/the-abundance-of-life-bearing-plan...

[hodwik]

To be clear, I'm not arguing they'd become advanced. I'm arguing they'd never become advanced.

I think the Drake Equation solution that Sagan proposes puts values that are orders of magnitude too large for most variables. In this case fi (where he confuses intelligent life with civilization) and fc.