[craigmccaskill]

I'm using a ~5 year old PC I built myself and it still outperforms the hardware in any available mac product (desktop, tablet or laptop) that isn't a Mac Pro (starting price $2999,00).

I don't have a compelling reason to upgrade until the launch of VR headsets.

[balls187]

I am also using a phone that outperforms the hardware of any available PC that wasn't built in this century.

Putting aside the hyperbole, I'm willing to bet the USB 3.0 and TB2 ports on my MBP out perform the ports on your 5-year old PC.

[craigmccaskill]

I actually have 2 USB 3.0 ports. USB 3.0 was first available on ASUS motherboards in late 2009 [1]. Thunderbolt wasn't available at that point but it was unveiled with the Thunderbolt Display, which was July 20th 2011, so coming up fast on 5 years old tech at this point. I personally have no use for 20Gbps transfers so TB2 has zero draw for me to upgrade.

Talking about hyperbole, you're comparing brand new hardware vs something that was released in 1999 (so 16 years of moore's law) against the point that the hardware apple uses in it's cutting edge desktops/laptops is pretty comparable to the stuff commercially available 5 years ago, which is a valid point.

If Apple wants to shame the market for not upgrading in the last 5 years, maybe they should offer a valid reason to upgrade outside of a marketing campaign appealing to 'want' and additional software features which a recent change actually made free anyway.

The idea that I could replace my PC with an iPad pro is just plain wrong.

[1] http://www.pcworld.com/article/174672/Asus_Debut_First_USB_3...

[balls187]

My hyperbole was making fun of your silly statement that your 5 year old computer out performs all the hardware that Apple makes[1]

My phone is more powerful than any PC[2]

I am the richest man in Seattle[3]

> The idea that I could replace my PC with an iPad pro is just plain wrong.

I'll take your word on that. But that isn't true for all PC users. I have a pretty beefy machine, not the latest and greatest, but a hex-core, 12gb, 960gtx and dual 30" monitors, which I use wholly for gaming. Youtubing, videoing, etc, have all moved to my ipad+appletv, and with my PS4, I finally feel like I have a console that provides a real crisp gaming experience. So I'm ready to no longer maintain my $2k PC, and switch to something like a SteamMachine.

[1] if you exclude the MacPro.

[2] made before the year 2000

[3] if you exclude the people that have more money than I do.

[craigmccaskill]

Silly statement that's factually correct and entirely relevant to a discussion about the lack of reason to upgrade hardware to something Apple currently makes?

When your comparison is to bring up a 16 year hardware difference or to incorrectly comment at the lack of transfer standards available to me and also suggesting that I even needed said transfer speed or peripherals, I don't understand what impact you're trying to have on the discussion.

I excluded the mac pro because it costs ~$1k more than I spent on my computer 5 years ago. I could spend the same ~$2k and build a similar or the ~$3k and a far more powerful computer, but I realize that isn't available to everyone and so omitted it as it wasn't a fair comparison and not relevant to the conversation on an Apple exec suggesting that people don't upgrade their computers frequently enough and should instead buy the latest iPad Pro every 2-3 years.

I really don't get what point you're trying to make, other than being overly pedantic and argumentative. There isn't much reason to upgrade hardware, especially not within the Apple ecosystem and these comments from an Apple exec are very far from the mark. If you don't agree with that statement then I'm happy to discuss, but your current line of reasoning is flawed and unproductive.

[balls187]

> I don't understand what impact you're trying to have on the discussion.

> I really don't get what point you're trying to make

The point I'm making with you is the strong confirmation bias (See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias) to your belief that there is no compelling reason to upgrade from an older PC to a tablet.

You are selectively fitting evidence (ignoring MacPros) to ensure your anecdotal argument is factually correct, then using that statement as the basis for invalidating the assertion that PC users with old hardware would benefit from "upgrading" to an iPad.

There is no reason for you who presumably has a very powerful, albeit "old", PC to upgrade to a tablet. That does not mean every other person with an old computer will also not benefit from replacing their machine with a tablet. The latter part being the basis for the statement from Apple.

My opinion: for folks who don't require KVM, could upgrade to a tablet. Anecdotally, my Mom no longer uses her laptop, and does her emailing, youtubing, and photo stuff wholly on a 1st gen ipad. However, her use case is clearly not yours (or mine).

[craigmccaskill]

I ignored mac pros? I specifically called them out as not a valid comparison given the price point.

First it's hyperbole, which you incorrectly applied now it's confirmation bias by 'ignoring' something which was not pertinent but I called out anyway. Make up your mind.

If you want to argue on the internet, there are plenty of other places to do that, I wish you luck in your sport. However, if you're just going to stick around and argue equivocation needlessly, that's not something I want to be a part of.